Brad Wardell's views about technology, politics, religion, world affairs, and all sorts of politically incorrect topics.
Published on September 17, 2007 By Draginol In Virtual Communities

As I get older (read more experienced socially) I have gotten a lot better in determining whether someone is a winner or a loser. Without knowing how much they make, how well they get along with their families, how in order they have their lives, I can usually tell in the course of a conversation whether the person is basically a winner or a loser.

So how can you tell? Here's some things I look for:

A Winner…

  1. Leaves a given situation better than they found it. If you loan them something or let them use something of yours, you'll get it back in as good or typically better condition than when you loaned it.
  2. Never takes advantage of the good will of others. Winners see the good will of others as a gift to be honored and will respect it.
  3. Takes responsibility for failure without making excuses. If something goes wrong, they cut to the chase and will say "I blew it, it's my fault I will make it better."
  4. Takes the long view of things. Winners are very good at looking at things from the long term. One of the reasons why winners tend to have money is because of this trait.
  5. Has a strong sense of delayed gratification. Winners can control their short term desires in order to build a better future. For instance, proving that money isn't what separates a winner from a loser, a winner's home will almost always be bigger and have nicer things in it even if they make the same amount of money as their loser friend because the loser will have squandered their money on junk.
  6. Sees themselves as masters of their own destiny. Winners are captains of their own lives. Whether they are poor or disabled, they will still see themselves as being in control.
  7. Tries to learn how successful people became successful. Winners learn to recognize other winners and see what they can learn from them.
  8. Knows life ain't fair and deals with it. Winners know that life is indifferent and random. They will adjust their course based on the obstacles put in their way.

A Loser…

  1. Tends to leave a given situation worse than they found it. Ever loan someone a car or let someone borrow one of your things or stay at your house? The quickest way of seeing if someone is a loser is if they trash your stuff. Loan a loser a car and it'll come back with a stain on it. Loan them a tool and it'll come back broken. Let them stay at your place and they'll leave it a mess.
  2. Will exploit the good will of others. Losers are fundamentally inconsiderate and this is a big reason to what dooms them to being a loser. "Success has many fathers" is true in so many ways. To be successful you need people to help you and losers will always ensure that people aren't helping them because they will squander the good will of others before they can get very far.
  3. Makes excuses for every set back and blames others for failure. Another easy way to spot a loser is the plethora of excuses they give. Nothing is ever their fault. You can even get an idea to what degree of loser the person is by how ridiculous their excuses are. The greater the length the person goes to avoid taking responsibility the bigger the loser.
  4. Thinks only of the here and now with little thought of the future. Losers always seem to lack any foresight. They'll do things that have inevitable severe consequences and yet be oblivious to those consequences because they can't think more than a few days ahead.
  5. Has to have things now. One of the reasons why losers never seem to have money is that they have no self-control. A loser won't have any sort of investments or savings but will have an Xbox 360, Play Station 3, and a Wii and then bitch about not having any money. Losers seem to consume toys and junk like others breath air. As a result, they never build any sort of assets.
  6. Sees themselves as victims or having "bad luck". Nothing screams "loser" louder than someone saying how some authority figure "had it out for them." Please. While there are certainly bad actors out there, nearly always it's just a loser trying to argue how they just got screwed rather than recognizing that maybe they should have done what they were supposed to be. "Oh, she had it out for me, she was just waiting for me to show up twice in a row stoned so that she could fire me!"
  7. Thinks successful people were just lucky. Losers have envy down pat. It rarely if ever crosses a loser's mind that they might learn something from winners. That's because they think winners are just lucky. A loser is good at finding a minor obstacle and using it as an excuse to fail. "Oh, if only I could sing, then I could be a rock star and be rich! If I could sing then I wouldn't be living in this dump." Life is a bit like a race in the sense that from the end of high school on you see increasing differences between the different people in terms of lifestyles. Some people certainly get head starts because of mom or dad helping them. But over time, life has a way of sorting things out quite a bit. If you've become successful in some way, the differences between you and others may be quite significant. So when if you run into a contemporary, you can usually tell without asking about their background if they're a loser by how they react. If they behave enviously or use the term "luck" several times then odds are they're a loser. In the few times where I have inquired about what they're up to, sure enough, they're a twice-divorced, semi-dead beat dad working at some crappy job in which their boss is "screwing them over" living in a crappy apartment (but with a state of the art cell phone and Playstation 3 of course).
  8. Worries about what is "fair". Nothing is more annoying than people who think there is some sort of objective "fairness" to life. Here's a quick way to know if you (the reader) are a loser or a winner: Are you making enough money where you currently work? If you feel you're underpaid, then a winner will work harder to show demonsratable results and failing to get appreciation for their hard work will find another job. A loser, by contrast, will rationalize working less and screwing off more at their job because they're not paid well enough (which due to #4 means they'll always be a low paid drone because they don't recognize the logical consequences of that strategy).

What's amazing is how easy it is to spot winners and losers. It's usually incredibly obvious within moments of meeting someone. Most people aren't losers. But it's not a gradient or anything like that. Those people who fall into the loser category tend to be full-hog into that category (i.e. meets almost all the criteria in a big way). That's what always shocks me is that losers don't just have one or two of these traits, they almost always have all of them.

As an employer, I've employed my share of losers (I'm getting better in the interview process). I've seen people who have had every opportunity completely squander our good will and blindingly sabotage their own futures through an amazing lack of foresight, victim-role playing and lack of self control.


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on Sep 19, 2007
LW:

I'll disagree with this one, Ock. Sometimes knowing WHEN to quit is a 'winning' quality. It's called 'cutting your losses' or 'moving forward.'


Like I said, cohesiveness is not me at the moment. When a person cuts their losses, it isn't necessarily quitting. Isn't it that they observed the current situation, considered their goals, and then decided to redefine their tactics in order to reach them? That isn't quitting at all - it's just thinking
on Sep 19, 2007
The pair of them are grotesquely obese (wow - that couldn't have felt good to hear), unhealthy, unhappy, and unable to retain employment for any significant length of time, deeply in debt over frivolous spending and the utter inability to delay gratification, which of course, is her father's fault for dying before she could learn fiscal responsibility skills from him...


The discussion Brad started didn't really include any examples of real people and I don't think it was necessary to make one out of ziggy - you obviously have a bit of a clue about the topic at hand but I personally didn't need to read your hurtful view on that specific person. No one claims to be perfect and the personal points ziggy brought up didn't require any further detail/clarification on your part. Even if you know ziggy personally I don't think it was right to say as much as you did.

You could easily have just focused on yourself as you did afterwards and left it at that.
on Sep 19, 2007
Ziggy used herself and her family as an example.  I think that opens the door for related responses.  The extra comments based on prior knowledge . . . meh.  They could have been left out and the point still be made.

We now return you to the topic at hand . . .
on Sep 19, 2007

I was a very lucky loser for a great portion of my life.  You would never have known I was a loser though.  I've always been good to others, have a great family and have enjoyed a very happy life.  Where I was a loser was I was always making excuses for myself and my mom was a major enabler (and still is) by making excuses for me.  But I have finally grown up and have taken responsibility.  I've accepted that life isn't fair.  Other people don't have to work as hard to get the same result sometimes but if it's something you truly want, you better get off your ass and do the work...no more excuses.

If you aren't who you want to be, figure out why and change it.  Losers don't want answers, they just want to bitch.  Winners define and problem and seek a remedy.  Winners keep growing.  Losers stagnate and walllow. 

on Sep 19, 2007

To me, a winner is someone whose input to his/her community leaves it in a better place than without.

Others, on the other hand whose whole community existence/intercourse centers on the degradation of those around them through invective purely for self-gratification....they are losers.

Winning in life means you may just be missed by others when you no longer have it.  Losers  are scarcely missed, if at all.

I've always said that success in life can be measured by all those people who are willing to consider you their friend, and give up their most valuable commodity [time] FOR you ....

on Sep 19, 2007
Jafo, you have shown yourself to be a person who does not waste words when providing your keen insight. Precise and to the point. Always appreciated, and for myself, easily understood.   



on Sep 19, 2007
Life obviously does not have a defined goal. It is self-defined by each individual.

Therefore, whether your goal is to be materially wealthy, or have friends and family that love you, or to stay married to your first husband, you will be more likely to achieve it if you have the traits mentioned in the article.

Winners never give up on what's important to them, absolutely. But what's important may change - if they see material wealth is no longer as important, or that the path they have chosen is not creating the proper results, they will do whatever it takes to get to their goal the best way possible.

Comparing it to a boardgame, Monopoly :shutter:, the goal is to bankrupt the other players. A lot of players develop a sub-goal of owning Park Place and Boardwalk with hotels on them. But if someone else owns both of them, then a loser would just quit the game. A winner would find an alternate way to win, based on this new plan.

Of course, it's a bad example because it'll always come down to who lands on the wrong space first. But in GOOD board games, the strategy to attain the goal changes with the situation.
on Sep 19, 2007
Of course, it's a bad example because it'll always come down to who lands on the wrong space first. But in GOOD board games, the strategy to attain the goal changes with the situation.


Actually it's not such a bad analogy at all. In real life we often 'land on the wrong space'. It's how we deal with it that counts.
on Sep 19, 2007
Oh god, what have I started.
on Sep 19, 2007

Bear in mind, most people are neither winners or losers. And it's not a matter of being in-between as much as being in a third category of "everyone else".

But losers seem to identify themselves out as such pretty quickly.  Usually it comes out in the form of either envy of someone else or talking about how someone "screwed them over" or hearing some excuse of why they can't do something.  To a loser, no obstacle is too small to use to justify failiure.

One of the above 3 things will often come up pretty quickly.

 

on Sep 20, 2007
looser...
on Sep 20, 2007
looser...


Well tighten up then
on Sep 20, 2007
Bear in mind, most people are neither winners or losers. And it's not a matter of being in-between as much as being in a third category of "everyone else".


It's a nice day today so I think I'll fix a lunch for myself, pack it and go to the park. While there I'll just take in the sun light, listen to the birds and watch all the rest of humanity go around in what ever state of mind they may be in. I will be content with knowing that they are missing a beautiful day while I sit there eating my lunch contemplating, nothing!

No, not wiser or smarter than the rest, just after along life being able to come to the realization that when the end does come, not a living sole will care what category my life was in.

Have a wonderful day, and take time to enjoy it.   

on Sep 20, 2007
Bear in mind


how much can a Koala bear?.......sorry... ......really bad aussie joke........

I'm going a little nuts here trying to figure out if I'm a winner....a loser.....an in-between or an everyone else........think I'm just gonna head on down to the park and have lunch with Philly.......


No, not wiser or smarter than the rest, just after a long life being able to come to the realization that when the end does come, not a living sole will care what category my life was.


Thanks Philly......I'll bare that in mind.......
on Sep 20, 2007
how much can a Koala bear?.......sorry... ......really bad aussie joke........


Yep, but done by a Yank...I used to know him as Tex, some years before people knew him as Austentayshus.
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