Don't expect any commentary from Calor, Smoothsailing or any of the other leftwingers around here.

That is because it is a waste of our time...there is only so much convincing a group can do for another group to help open eyes.  I'm tired of just seeing videos that are cut to blame.  Having to explain everything that these video creators leave out is boring, tedious, and pointless because it won't change anyone's opinion.

You just don't want to admit that youv'e been duped.

Again, blame everything on the democrats. Clearly, every single thing that's wrong with the U.S has been caused by the democratic party, especially Jimmy Carter. Yes, ALL the problems we're experiencing today can all be traced back to that one term Jimmy served almost 30 years ago.

WAKE UP!!!!

This has nothing to do with the childish democrat vs republican pissing contest!!!! To try and lay all the blame at the feet of the democrats, or the republicans, is completely missing the mark!

"Leftists" didn't cause this nor did right-wingers. Both parties are equally incompetent and corrupt on this one-

What did cause this was a replication of Enron, only across an entire industry. Greenspan knew about the housing bubble and what would happen. Now, he makes rumblings that he foresaw it all and tried his darndest to prevent it but that simply isn't the truth.

Greenspan knew this would happen. When the dot com bubble burst he knowingly helped along the housing bubble. His plan is, and always has been to go from bubble to bubble, expecting that another big thing (sporks??!?) would come along so we could jump to another bubble.

Also, the problem isn't so much the fact that poor people with no money got houses, although that's the buffoonery we're fed constantly. What caused so much trouble, and what's frozen lending in the greater picture, is what the banks did with those mortgages- they turned billions of dollars of debt into trillions of dollars of hypothetical money that they traded and invested!!!!

Neither political party really understood the level of book-cookery that was going on and still don't. Neither party decided to tell the banks to actively create exotic debt instruments (aka lies) and peddle them on the open market.

Your country has been had by some of the biggest crooks in recent history. Saddly, these same crooks are going to get hundreds of billions of dollars for their crime, paid by the victim. And ultimately, the very perpetrators of this despicable act are going to get away scott-free because the issue will turn into another childish

"democrats did it"

or

"republicans to blame!!!"

Thereby, turning the spot light away from the ones who actually are responsible for screwing your great country royally!!!!

Thats pretty much it in a nutshell. He warned about the various factors that were causing the problem to get worse but never put any backbone into it. IMHO he should have tightened money supply and forced a recession since it was obvious congress was gridlocked and turning a blind eye, wall street obviously wasnt going to fix anything, and many of the investors simply weren't listening.

The real problem is companies giving credit to people who obviously could not afford it, nor pay it back.  People like Barney Frank were pushing for this because...well....this was going towards poor people, the democrats base.

The argument that Democrats caused this crisis is ridiculous.

This is no different than saying Republicans cause every economic down turn because they are more firm believers in the free market.

The Democrats did push for more loans to the poor and instituted this policy with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But that's not the same as saying that the Democrats caused the subsequent melt down.

What happened is that starting in the 90s, credit in general got to be very easy to come by. When the dot-com bubble burst in the late 90s, there was still a ton of money to be invested but no where to put it. 

But greedy wallstreet bankers hatched a great idea - interest only loans on adjustable rate interest rates. Loan to people who could barely afford it, then when interest rates rose, the poor wouldn't be able to pay and the wallstreet bankers would end up with a house that had appreciated faster than inflation.

What they didn't count on was the housing market collapsing so abruptly at the same time interest rates were going up. Usually interest rates go down when the market declines but in this case, both went up.

So instead of foreclosing on houses that were appreciating in value at a fast clip when the interest rates went up, they were foreclosing on houses that had lost value and could not unload them on anyone else which dried up the banks liquidity.

Without cash, the banks can loan money or even pay their own bills precipitating the mess we're in.

If you want to blame anyone, why not blame Bush's pressure on Greenspan to have such low interest rates?  The fed rate was ridiculously low for so long that it made credit insanely easy to come by.

So Bush's finance minister trying to stop it means nothing? And Democrats specifically promoting the practices also means nothing?

How can we trust Democrats and their supporters when you cannot take responsibility for your actions?

It seems to me like Bush's finance minister and Republicans (including McCain) tried to regulate the banks because they feared a crisis and Democrats promoted giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them.

And now it's not their fault? What if the policy of giving mortgages to the poor had been a resounding success? Would Democrats claim credit? Why did Barney Frank support the cause? Was it because he envisioned that it wouldn't be to his credit if it had been successful?

 

They are doing their usual blame Bush and that act like they are heroes out to save "Main St"...hah!  What a bunch of slime balls.  And anyone saying that the Republicans were as slimey on this subject as the Dems aren't educating themselves.  Just take one look at who was making all the money off from Fannie & Freddie.  It wasn't the Republicans!  The Dems were calling all clear because they were cashing in.

Now they call for no Golden Parachutes because they already made their millions.

I find Dodd, Frank and Schumer absolutely loathesome and slimey.  I can't believe they had any say on this matter.

"WHAT exactly does a "community organizer" do? Barack Obama's rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here's a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes - and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0

Seems to me like Obama knows more about the current crisis than I originally thought.

I wonder if he ever feels sorry for the results of his work.

 

 

In Greenspan's defense,

He got very low key and careful with his wording on dire predictions after his first couple of years in office.  For a while, every time he opened his mouth, the markets swung a couple of hundred points.  Congress quoted him out of context to back every position they wanted from tax cuts to large spending increases when throughout his career he preached paying off the debt as the first priority.  With that kind of "E.F.Hutton" power, I'd be afraid of putting "backbone" into warnings too.

That said, I think a very effective case can be made for blaiming government (both parties) as "unindicted co-conspirators" in the wall street mess.

I think it's cute that the same people that think it's all Bush's fault also think that there is no way that a single political party could be responsible for this situation.

So I guess the theory goes... If Bush is an available scapegoat then it is possible for a single person to be responsible for a given problem. However, if it could be the fault of the democratic party then there is no way a whole group of people could be responsible.

Logical!

Bush and his finance ministers for the last several years have been routinely stating that the economy is fine and all these naysayers are just chicken littles. NOW, suddenly they've changed their tune and are saying that they've known about and have tried to stop this for years. Ha!

Satire doesn't even come close to how ridiculous this whole farce has become.

Bush has had the Whitehouse for the last 8 years. The secretary of the treasury, the chairman of the federal reserve, and the fella running the SEC are ALL  with Bush. He's enjoyed majorities in the congress and the senate for considerable periods throughout those 8 years as well.

But nevermind the fact that this was predicted years ago by reputable economists (Nouriel Roubini hit this nail on the head years ago) but yet they were dismissed as alarmist fools by the folks currently in power.

Then suddenly a few weeks ago the other shoe dropped and suddenly it becomes:

"Even though we're the ones at the wheel and were warned about this years ago, we tried everything in our power to stop it.... oh, and the democrats are entirely to blame for this entire fiasco!!!"

The gestures made by various members of the house and senate to increase regulation were just that, gesures, and most of that regulation was stripped away with much ideological fanfare that it was helping the "free market" by removing the hand of big bad government and all the red tape involved.

 There was no serious intent behind regulation otherwise it would have dominated the public discussion. Instead, the congress and senate were too busy passing flag burning ammendments and pontificating about gay marriage and abortion. This wasn't a part of the mainstream discussion because it's a very complicated topic that simply can't be summarized properly into a 30 second sound byte or talking point.

 This goes way beyond the easy to understand "po people with no money are ruinin' things" and delves into the mechanics of how banks lend and invest money. This is a world that very few politicians understand. Very few bankers even understand the monster they have created, as was illustrated by the fact that in the last weeks many major firms have had their employees pull all nighters, going through the books to figure out how much capital and debt they did or didn't have. When the banks don't know what their OWN picture is, the market freezes because no one wants to lend to each other.

Currently, Bernanke and Paulson have more power than Bush, the Congress or Senate. And they want more!!!

There are many issues, mostly related to the fact that the banks have been selling lies for years now. BOTH political parties are equally culpable in allowing this to happen, but mostly they allowed this to happen out of ignorance.

How many members of congress, do you think, truly understand the 62 trillion market of CDS? (credit default swaps)?

How many members of congress and the senate understand how CDO's and "structural investment vehicles" funneled billions of dollars in debt to off-book ventures that magically turned into trillions of dollars of nonexistent money???

Very few. I don't even understand it, nor do I pretend to.

Reid was telling the truth when he said "no one knows what to do"

Both parties were cashing in....When the Reps. were controlling congress they were getting the most money. The money was going to not only pres. candidates and the party leaders but also the chairmen and members of the specific comittees that could influence housing and banking policy.

I thought this video was dynomite...and now it's gone from view...interesting??