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A tale of two nations
Published on November 3, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

So what we can learn from the exit polls? Well we can learn that there is a big difference between the typical Kerry supporter and the typical Bush supporter. It is the stark difference between the two that makes the nation so polarized.

Consider these exit poll results:

VOTE BY INCOME
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Less Than $50,000 (45%)
44% 55%
$50,000 or More (55%)
56% 43%

No surprise there.  Middle class and above people supported Bush overwhelmingly.  Those who pay little or no federal income taxes supported Kerry overwhelmingly.

ARE YOU A UNION MEMBER?
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Yes (14%)
38% 61%
No (86%)
54% 45%

What about union people? Those who didn't belong to a union supported Bush very strongly. Something to bear in mind next time one wants to paint Bush supporters as "Sheep" or "brain washed". Unions are, IMO, just as guilty as religious organizations into feeding propaganda to their members.

VOTE BY EDUCATION
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
No High School (4%)
49% 50%
H.S. Graduate (22%)
52% 47%
Some College (32%)
54% 46%
College Graduate (26%)
52% 46%
Postgrad Study (16%)
44% 55%

This is a stat I tend to like to bring up when I'm in a debate. Bush leads with those who graduate highschool and go to college. But Democrats tend to have their base amongst those who didn't graduate from high school and those who live in Academia.

VOTE BY CHURCH ATTENDANCE
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
More Than Weekly (16%)
64% 35%
Weekly (26%)
58% 41%
Monthly (14%)
50% 49%
A Few Times a Year (28%)
45% 54%
Never (15%)
36% 62%

This is where the Democrats can charge, correctly that the more religious you are, the more likely you are to vote for Bush. And it's true. 42% of Americans go to church once or more per week.

HAVE YOU EVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY?
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Yes (18%)
57% 41%
No (82%)
49% 50%

This should settle this issue once and for all. We had some people on our site trying to say that you should vote for Kerry to "support our troops".  People who have ever served in the military very much supported Bush over Kerry and actually lost amongst those who have never served. I think that says a lot.

ARE YOU MARRIED?
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Yes (63%)
57% 42%
No (37%)
40% 58%

Another key difference.  Basically, married people vote for Republicans. Single people vote for Democrats. And if you have children, the gap actually gets bigger. People who have children at all tend to vote Republican and people without children tend to vote for Democrats.

ARE YOU GAY, LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL?
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2000
2004
Yes (4%)
23%
-2
77%
No (96%)
53%
+3
46%

Bush lost support amongst gays not surprisingly. I like this stat because I've seen many gay activists try to claim that one out of 10 people are gay. In reality, it's more like 1 out out of 30.

GUN OWNER IN HOUSEHOLD?
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Yes (41%)
63% 36%
No (59%)
43% 57%

People with guns really liked Bush. People without them really liked Kerry.

MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Taxes (5%)
57% 43%
Education (4%)
26% 73%
Iraq (15%)
26% 73%
Terrorism (19%)
86% 14%
Economy/Jobs (20%)
18% 80%
Moral Values (22%)
80% 18%
Health Care (8%)
23% 77%

Look at the moral values issue. Bush's strategy hinged on getting evangelical Christians out to vote. And it seems it worked. This strategy allowed Bush to win in Ohio and therefore the country.

Terrorism came in 3rd!

MOST IMPORTANT QUALITY
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Cares About People (9%)
24% 75%
Religious Faith (8%)
91% 8%
Honest/Trustworthy (11%)
70% 29%
Strong Leader (17%)
87% 12%
Intelligent (7%)
9% 91%
Will Bring Change (24%)
5% 95%
Clear Stand on Issue (17%)
79% 20%

Those who care about intelligence as a factor in Presidents like Kerry. They were canceled out by those who want a religious man as President. The warm fuzzy people (cares) voted for Kerry. Those who like candid clear stands canceled them out. Those who care about honesty and strength in leadership voted for Bush. They were nearly canceled out by those who want change.

DECISION TO GO TO WAR IN IRAQ
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2000
2004
Strongly Approve (29%)
94%
n/a
6%
Somewhat Approve (23%)
75%
n/a
24%
Somewhat Disapprove (15%)
25%
n/a
73%
Strongly Disapprove (31%)
5%
n/a
94%

And to fairly definitively answer this question, 52% of Americans support going into Iraq compared to only 46% who disapprove of going into Iraq. That's well outside the margin of error (in an exit poll that was already tilted a bit incorrectly in Kerry's favor based on the actual results). So yes, most Americans are glad we went into Iraq even though most people think things are going poorly.

VOTE IF ONLY BUSH AND KERRY WERE RUNNING
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Kerry (47%)
1% 98%
Bush (51%)
98% 2%
Would Not Have Voted (1%)
29% 38%

BTW, this is the line that should have told people that something was wrong with the exit polls. At the start of the exit polls, if you multiply the % of women times the % of support and the same for men, you came out with a 52% 48% advantage for Kerry.  And yet here you have a fairly good prediction of the actual vote here.

ABORTION SHOULD BE...
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Always Legal (21%)
25% 73%
Mostly Legal (34%)
38% 61%
Mostly Illegal (26%)
73% 26%
Always Illegal (16%)
77% 22%

Here's another key survey.  55% of Americans think abortion should either be mostly legal or mostly illegal. For those who think abortion should always be legal no matter what, Kerry has a huge margin. On mostly legal it tightens up a bit.  But look at the pro-lifer side. Very solid for Bush.

POLICY TOWARD SAME-SEX COUPLES
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Legally Marry (25%)
22% 77%
Civil Unions (35%)
52% 47%
No Legal Recognition (37%)
70% 29%

On those who believe that gays should be allowed to have civil unions, Bush won.  But those who think they should get to marry overwhelmingly support Kerry.

This is an interesting thing since the bulk of Kerry's base aren't married themselves. This is one of those "value" issues that get Republicans steamed. People who actually are married tend to be Republicans and they tend to want to keep marriage between men and women.  Kerry's most vocal base believe gays should get to be married but hey, they're not married themselves.

It falls into line with many other things that make Bush supporters suspicious of Kerry supporters. Kerry supporters, as we've seen, tend to pay a lot less in taxes, but hey, they want all kinds of government programs. Why should they care? They don't have to foot the bill.

And so we see the same pattern here. Kerry voters overwhelmingly support same sex marriage, why should they care? They're not married themselves so what's the big deal about marriage in the first place?

I fall in the civil union camp myself.  And those who believe gays should be able to have civil unions tended to support Bush. But look at the no legal recognition -- 37%. That's the biggest chunk and it was overwhelmingly for Bush just as the other side was for Kerry.

OSAMA BIN LADEN VIDEOTAPE
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Important (56%)
50% 50%
Not Important (44%)
56% 43%

The Osama tape turned out to not help Bush after all.

GOVERNMENT DO MORE TO SOLVE PROBLEMS?
BUSH
KERRY
TOTAL
2004
2004
Yes (46%)
33% 66%
No (49%)
70% 29%

Another suspicion of conservatives conformed. Those who think the government can solve the world's problems tend to overwhelmingly support Kerry while those who don't think that vote for Bush.

This goes back to a discussion we had last week. Some people tried to argue that the south is full of racists and they support Bush and therefore Republicans are racist. But that's really a fairly lame analysis. 

Basically the south and west of the United States is a rural or at most suburban culture. They go for Republicans. The North East and the West coast tend to be more urban and so they tend to go for Democrats. Racism is not the issue. It's a cultural values issue that isn't related to race.


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on Nov 03, 2004
"Those who care about intelligence as a factor in Presidents like Kerry. They were canceled out by those who want a religious man as President. The warm fuzzy people (cares) voted for Kerry. Those who like candid clear stands canceled them out. Those who care about honesty and strength in leadership voted for Bush. They were nearly canceled out by those who want change."

What I find fascinating is that according to military intelligence tests, Bush has a higher IQ. Why do people continue to underestimate Bush's intelligence? Is it because he talks like an average person instead of an uptight intellectual from the world of academia?

on Nov 03, 2004
Draginol wrote: "The warm fuzzy people (cares) voted for Kerry."

You consistently slag people for being compassionate. And here, again, you can't resist a little dig. Don't you think compassion is a virtue? Don't you feel bad when people starve to death in famine or are killed because of their ethnicity? Not every person who is down-and-out is a crack-smoking, 15-year-old, single mother of five on welfare who wants more of your tax dollars.

Compassion and charity are supposed to be Christian beliefs. Those are considered among the finest of human qualities, celebrated in religion and philosophy. Yet you denigrate people who want to help the less fortunate. You insult them for caring.
on Nov 03, 2004

Don't you think compassion is a virtue?

In the words of John Kerry: "Words without deeds are meaningless".  Compassion without action is worthless.

on Nov 03, 2004

Draginol wrote: "The warm fuzzy people (cares) voted for Kerry."

You consistently slag people for being compassionate. And here, again, you can't resist a little dig. Don't you think compassion is a virtue? Don't you feel bad when people starve to death in famine or are killed because of their ethnicity? Not every person who is down-and-out is a crack-smoking, 15-year-old, single mother of five on welfare who wants more of your tax dollars.

Compassion and charity are supposed to be Christian beliefs. Those are considered among the finest of human qualities, celebrated in religion and philosophy. Yet you denigrate people who want to help the less fortunate. You insult them for caring.


In the words of my teenage son "DUDE!"  Brad is a republican, a fine upstanding republican to be sure, but a republican none the less.

on Nov 03, 2004

Don't you think compassion is a virtue?

Saying warm fuzzy things without action is just mental masterbation. It's not compassion.

Feeling bad for someone losing their job is not compassion. It's sympathy. Working to help that person get a job is compassion.

Democrats tend to confuse sympathy with compassion.

on Nov 03, 2004

Saying warm fuzzy things without action is just mental masterbation. It's not compassion.


::LAUGHS::


Brad, you and the zingers tonight, and I thought it was just a slow night around the jeblackstar household.

on Nov 03, 2004
Draginol wrote: "Saying warm fuzzy things without action is just mental masterbation [sic]"

And Republicans don't say warm fuzzy things? Give me a break. All that God-talk. All that idealistic rhetoric of bringing democracy to undemocratic countries.

You have written that people should help themselves and that government should not tax you in order to help others. That doesn't strike me as compassionate or sympathetic, but insensitive.

If compassion is, according to Dictionary.com, "Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it," then how are Democrats not compassionate?

I would assume that most people who vote Democrat are in favor of social spending. If that's true, then they are compassionate (not just sympathetic) because they want the government to spend money—their tax money—on those who need a helping hand, whether they be single moms or senior citizens. So they are not just "feeling bad for someone losing their job." They want something done about it and they want a government that will do something about it.

on Nov 03, 2004
It's so much more compassionate to send people kill people and get killed...
on Nov 03, 2004
Brad, I'd like to find out your source for this poll data. Its very interesting and I'd like to know where you got it so I can use it.
on Nov 03, 2004
What I find the most fascinating is that, according to polls, most people don't like the direction the country is headed, Bush's approval is under 50%, the majority of people think that Iraq is going badly and yet they still voted for Bush. Do these people actually think he's going to do better this term, he just needed a little more on the job training than most?
on Nov 03, 2004
Clinton was elected in 1996 with much worse "country is going in wrong direction" ratings. As they say, beware propaganda. When someone gives you a stat, don't regurgitate, compare it, contrast it, look into it.
on Nov 03, 2004
Speaking of mental mastUrbation......Yes compassion is so deeply held amongst some Conservatives that they made sure to remind us of that by calling themselves "compassionate Conservatives".

Compassion is not a party line, it's an individual action unrelated to how you dimple your chad.

P.S. Draginol when you preach make sure you include the link to the Bible from which thee hath cited....
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html (here's a generic link)
on Nov 03, 2004
My 2 cents.
If we had not re-elected Bush, we would have been showing weakness and indecision as a country with regard to the war on terror.
I for one remember the world trade center, I visited it once just to look up at it.
We don't need another terror hit in the US.
This is the most important issue of our time in my opinion.
Bush was the only choise...
on Nov 04, 2004
People keep talknig about what they would show to the world if they reelected Bush.

ie. Strength, Will etc.

Has anyone bothered to prove that?

Most the world see his reelection as a sign of arrogance. Inability to admit ones fault. Trigger happy warmongering.

You just helped terror groups recruit more people. Believe me, I've met them, and all the doubtful extremists, who after the reelection, has been pushed over the threshold to terrorism
on Nov 04, 2004
You just helped terror groups recruit more people. Believe me, I've met them, and all the doubtful extremists, who after the reelection, has been pushed over the threshold to terrorism


You meet with terrorists? I don't think I'd go around saying that, dude.
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