Bush haters motivated Bush voters

Moral Values != Anti-Gay Marriage

Published on November 5, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

The mainstream media still hasn't figured out why Kerry lost the election. Instead, they react in shock and surprise at the exit poll result that "moral values" was the #1 issue. And what do they conclude? That the anti-gay marriage issue and evangelical Christian vote is what caused that.

Let's ignore the fact that moral values was the #1 reason for Bush voters in states where gay marriage wasn't an issue. Why then are they latching on to that? Because Kerry supporters don't want to admit to themselves (yet) that the reason Kerry lost wasn't gay marriage or even really Kerry himself but rather the behavior and attitude of Kerry's supporters.

In talking with a great number of people since the election, it's become pretty clear that a big reason why people came out to vote for Bush this time was the pretentious and insulting attitude that Kerry supporters had for the values and opinions have for others.

It really all started becoming clear at the Superbowl. When Janet Jackson's breast was displayed for all to see, the left's reaction was "Get over it!" and "Deal with it!" They showed no respect whatsoever for the values of the majority of Americans who are trying to raise children in the way they see fit.

Then we were subjected to months of "Anyone who supports Bush must be a moron, bigot, racist, redneck, homophobe, idiot..etc."

Then this past Summer we were subjected to months of Michael Moore and other media elites with their condescending attitudes towards those who don't share their philosophical beliefs. By the end of summer, we got to see celebrities coming out and telling us what we should think -- as if their opinions are somehow more valid than ours. Why does Sean Penn's opinion matter more than my neighbor's?

Time and time again Kerry's supporters made it clear how much they hated Bush and hated everything that Bush supporters stand for. The nastiness and pretentious behavior of Kerry's supporters thus motivated people who would not normally vote to come out in vote.

And when they did come out, and were asked why, which exit poll question would fit their reason? Which question most closely resembles wanting to come out because you felt your values and opinions were being trampled on? Answer: Moral values.

Gay marraige, the war on terror, and other such things definitely mattered. I don't want to make it sound like they didn't. But in an election that was decided by 3 percentage points, I think Kerry's supporters need to recognize that their attitude towards Bush and those who agree with his views were what cost Kerry the election. Otherwise, they're doomed to repeat their failures in the future.

Comments (Page 2)

MyViewsAndMuse

on Nov 05, 2004

Great article. The far left screams censorship, freedom of the press, etc. when people tell them to sit down and give it a rest. But based upon several liberal bloggers here it seems they are now the ones who are censoring critics.

Draginol

on Nov 05, 2004

I can honestly say I wouldn't have voted in this election if it weren't for the left's spewing of hatred. I didn't want to let the Michael Moore's and Sean Penns and Al Frankens "win". I didn't like having my beliefs and values ridiculed, insulted, and put down.

Anyhow, you're wrong, it was Republican grassroots groups who handed out leaflets declaring John Kerry was going to legalize gay marriage and ban the bible. It was the Republican campaign that was successfull in polarizing it's voters, not the Democrats, which is obvious in their failing to even show up to the polls in equal numbers to the Republicans.

This is so typical. It manages to make my point for me: Right, Bush voters are so stupid that millions of them voted because we were "tricked" by "groups" that handed out leaflets (let's ignore the fact that Kerry himself claimed Bush was going to restart the draft if re-elected).

But yes Deference, live in denial all you want. No skin off my back.

Draginol

on Nov 05, 2004

BTW, if leaflets on banning the bible and legalizing gay marriage were effective, then Bush would have gotten far more than 11% of the African American vote who are, per capita, much more religious. African Americans overwhelmingly voted for banning gay marriage but still voted for Kerry.

By contrast, it seems pretty evident that millions of Bush voters turned out because of their disgust at the behavior of Kerry supporters. You can only call people "stupid rednecks" so many times before they get mad.

Draginol

on Nov 05, 2004

Typical examples of the left's attitude towards Bush voters:

-- "Were I a Kerry voter, though, I'd feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets. The self-righteous, gun-totin', military lovin', sister marryin', abortion-hatin', gay-loathin', foreigner-despisin', non-passport ownin' red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*ck in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land "free and strong." -- The Daily Mirror on the people who voted for Bush

-- "I look at the big map and all of the red in flyover country and I feel like I've been locked in a room with the slow learners. We have become the country that pulls a dry cleaning bag over its head to play astronaut." -- Tbogg

"Americans did not vote for fascism - but the fascists now control all three branches of our government: the Presidency, Congress, and the Supreme Court. In 1935, Sinclair Lewis warned against the rise of an American fascism in "It Can't Happen Here". Well, it can - and it will, unless we stop it now" -- Bob Fertik at Democrats.com

"Rove's re-election strategy was elegantly simple: Scare the bejesus out of Jesusland. F@ggots are headed your way! Satanic Muslims are hiding everywhere! That's all it took to get Jesusland to do the job. Intellectual conservatives like the National Review staff are flattering themselves if they honestly believe Jesusland cares about conservative thought. The "reality-based" folks are learning that Jesusland doesn't even care about jobs or the economy. In Jesusland, it's all the will of Jesus. No job? No money? Daughter got her clit pierced? Jesus is just f*cking with you again, testing your faith. Got the cancer? Oh well. Soon you'll be with Jesus. Reality is no match for a mystical world in which an all-powerful god is constantly toying with every detail of your mundane life, just to see what you'll do about it. Keep praying and always keep your eye out for homosexuals and terrorists, and you will eventually be rewarded ... all you have to do is die, and then it's SuperJesusLand, where you will be a ghost floating in a magic cloud with all the other ghosts from Jesusland, with Jesus Himself presiding over an Eternal Church Service." -- Ken Layne

"I was one who defended Americans from being called stupid. I thought they were ignorant of the facts, but not stupid. However, enough of the truth came out in the final three months of this election that an inanimate carbon rod should have beaten Bush. My opinion of Americans has changed." -- From David at BlogAmY

"The Liarfuhrer of the combined forces of unfettered corporate greed and undemocratic theocracy has led his thoughtless followers to the promised land of arrogance, thought-control, and selfishness run amock". -- From a post called "NEOFASCISTS TAKE 2004 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION" on Bush Watch

You see, those who support Bush's policies don't do so because we favor taking out threats before they fully mature. And we don't support them because we think no Americans should have to pay more than 35% of their income to the federal government. And we don't support him because he's made schools be more accountable to the people. And we don't support him because he actually does the things he says he's going to do. No, we support him because we're a bunch of gullible moron, gun-toting rednecks that are too stupid to see what an evil fascist Bush and his cronies are.

That kind of attitude has made Americans want to collectively say FUCK YOU to Kerry supporters in the form of voting against Kerry. And kerry has paid the price.

LIke I said elsewhere, even though I support many of Bush's policies, I would probably have not bothered to go out and vote this time because I was bummed out about the deficits and Bush's other problems (i wrote an article why I may not vote for Bush). But I was just so disgusted with the behavior of Kerry supporters and so tired of having my political philosophies insulted and ridiculed that I decided to vote. I simply didn't want the likes of Al Franken and Michael Moore and all those pretentious Hollywood elitists to think that they have real power. And I didn't want those arrogant whiney protesters to get their way. And I didn't appreciate friends and neighbors who would patronize me as some sort of half-wit because I don't agree with their "progressive" political views.

Zod

on Nov 05, 2004

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Nitro Cruiser

on Nov 05, 2004

As far as any president would have reacted, well, quite possibly, but I'm just looking at the examples set. You know as well as I do that Republicans are more likely to deploy troops (Reagan), and Democrats are more likely to negotiate (Carter).

I have to disagree with you on who is more likely to deploy forces, my military brother. Don't forget FDR (World War II), Trueman (Korea), and Kennedy (Vietnam); all Democrats. Reagans troop deployments for Pamama, Grenada, and Libya were small and very surgical. I spend 8 months at sea because of Carter's botched operation in Iran. He was trying to free the hostages prior to the election, after sitting on his hands for over a year.

My military career has span from presidents Carter to G. W. Bush (I retired in 2003) and I have to say, the best time I spent in the military was under Reagan. Morale was terrible under Carter, low pay and no tools to get the job done. When Clinton took over, he cut military spending by almost 200%, they were forcing people out of the services (the Navy, Air Force, and Marines anyway). Not enough time had passed under G.W. Bush to get back up to strength before 9/11 occured.

Nitro Cruiser

on Nov 05, 2004

supafly

on Nov 05, 2004

Like the democrats were handing out leaflets saying if Bush won that he would bring back the draft?

The stupidity and idiocy behind the draft blows my mind. Probably one of the most successful democratic ploys to spread fear of the draft if people voted for Bush.

The draft issue has largely come to public attention due to pair of bills introduced in Congress (S.89 and H.R.163) which seek to obligate all citizens and residents of the U.S. beween the ages of 18 and 26 (both male and female) to perform a two-year period of national service (not necessarily as part of the military), and the Selective Service's advertising for volunteers to man draft boards around the country. However, both these bills were introduced not by legislators genuinely seeking to reinstate the draft but by Democrats seeking to make an anti-war statement, and they languished in committee for 21 months before Republicans brought the House version to the floor and overwhelmingly defeated it in October 2004.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp

f'in sheep.

Ithaycu

on Nov 05, 2004

You hit the nail on the head everytime! I have voted for Democrats in the past, however I am certain those days are behind me. The party is no longer the Democratic party of my parents and does not reflect my personal beliefs, philosophies, etc...

Daiwa

on Nov 06, 2004

Evan Thomas of Newsweek today quoted Kerry as saying to his staff late Tuesday evening, "I can't believe I'm losing to that idiot."

That's from the "healer," folks.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Psikotik

on Nov 06, 2004

You have a lot of valid points. As a Democrat I have to say I am disappointed in my party in how it handled some things and I totally agree that just because someone is an actor or singer they're opinion isn't worth more than anyone elses (it's probably worth less because these people don't have too much contact with real people or the real world).

But saying that, if a 3-5 second flash of a boob that was not televised on purpose caused that much grief and stress, you might need to loosen up just a bit....As for the Liberal Elite I see mentioned, I think it's a lot more elitist of Evangelical Christians (who are heavily republican) to say they're going to heaven and I'm not....

Other things - Those who say Bush was just so great after 9/11, who knows what would have happened if Gore were President... What we'd all be reading the Koran now? Some of you mention the Dems running a dirty campaign. How about Cheney saying " If you vote for the wrong candidate, we might be at greater risk for a terrorist attack" - Vote for us or Die, that's real uplifting.

msladydeath

on Nov 06, 2004

What do you call 10,000 liberals running over the border to Canada?
A good start.

Poor Canadians...

What motivated me to vote for him is YOU...the liberals that i've met, (if only virtually) online in the past 6 months. You pissed me off enough to head to the polls on Nov 2.

Diddo, I voted for the first time this election.

And as far as this Jesus land crap.... I live in the area that "Jesus Land" supposedly encompases and you know what.... I don't know a single person that took (or was even offered) that stupid exit poll. It could also be the fact that most of the smaller towns had to vote in church parishes. Could be because the canidates thought that some states weren't worth their time and didn't really try to campain in. I live in the 7th most populated state in Nebraska and never saw a single yard sign for either Bush or Kerry, no bumper stickers, flyers, nothing. Every other election, something has been seen here, but not this time around.

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I found it rather odd that no other race is represented there. I know there are other races, I see them every day, what, did all the Hispanics and other minority groups stay home? Over the entire state? I just find that REALLY hard to swallow. Hence, exit polls mean shit and nothing more.

hitparade

on Nov 06, 2004

"How far that little candle throws his beams!" Portia, Merchant of Venice.

On fox news, I just heard a democrat hack suggest the election outcome fraudulent because the result conflicts with exit poll data. At approximately 7:00 p.m., on election night, this party hack was sipping on champagne, celebrating a kerry win. Then, the juggernaut of raw data/real votes (the only data worth a lick of salt) resulted in this hack having to cork her bottle.

This hack is a perfect example of a self-hating American determined to unite post-election America? These hacks just don't get it. Why do the elite circles of "world citizens", e.g., U.N. Sec. Kofi, irrationally despise this Country? To the liberal world elitist, I have seen much of the world and it is a dark and shitty place. America, for all her short comings, is, indeed, a shinning city on the hill.

whoman69

on Nov 06, 2004

For those who voted on the "moral issues", do they think that Bush will suddenly propose and ammendment to ban abortion? That is what is needed or to have the Supreme court vote again on Roe v Wade. Do these same moralists expect Bush to not only put forth an ammendment not only banning gay marriage but civil unions as well? For all the talk on moral issues, there will be no headway made on those issues even with a Republican majority in both houses and a Republican President. Why would they move on this issue when they can keep it around for another four years and then decry about how those issues are still there so they can consolidate their base again?

Daiwa

on Nov 06, 2004

whoman69 -

First of all, Bush has gone on record as having no opposition to civil unions, so don't ascribe intentions to him that he doesn't have. And the amendment he's proposed doesn't "ban" gay marriage, it just would confirm in the Constitution that individual states have jurisdiction over the question.

There also appears to be a misconception about the what the Supreme Court can & cannot do, the thinking apparently being that just get a couple more conservative judges on the court & they'll suddenly overturn Roe v. Wade. Someone, somewhere, has to file a case that bears on Roe v. Wade, which then has to wind its way to the Supreme Court before they can either agree to hear the case or not. I'm sure that will happen somewhere, but the Bush administration isn't going to propose anything concerning abortion.

Cheers,
Daiwa

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