ive no doubt keillor was joking.  whether the joke was funny--or insensitive--is a matter of perspective. my feeling is that the humor suffers--and the insensitivity results--from a lack of focus.  born-again christians are too broad a target; it shoulda have been aimed at those specifically determined to overturn the current government by establishing an 'earthly dominion'.  rather than expressing the thought as a personal fantasy--thus setting himself up to be this week's michael moore proxy--keillor could have as easily pulled a hattrick by noting the irony of  activists, crusading to make us all citizens of the new american kingdom of god on earth, finding themselves at risk of having their own us citizenship involuntarily relinquished as a consequence of the proposed patriot act ll: a law easily attributed to divine revelation through the prophet ashcroft and enacted by the very majority they claim to have put in office.

 

Awwwww...whatsamatta? Did the big bad ogre Keillor scare you repubs?? He's so intimidating... The term "making mountains out of molehills" applies here.

'muslims have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for allah-- to have sharia in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness.

but it is sharia we are after. not just a voice.

it is sharia we are after. not just influence.

it is sharia we are after. not just equal time.

it is sharia we are after.

world conquest. that's what allah has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the qu'ran. and we must never settle for anything less... thus, muslim politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the caliphate of allah.

yall cool with that?  

by changing 'muslim' to christian,  'allah' to christ or jesus christ, 'sharia' to dominion, 'qu'ran' to bible and 'caliphate' to kingdom...and youll have an exact quote from a book by george grant (former director of coral ridge ministries--with a 3.5 million listener weekly audience) entitled The Changing of the Guard, Biblical Principles for Political Action

why is it socially acceptable to attack christians for their faith?

its not all christians and it's not their faith...its their publicly expressed determination to make this country a theocracy.  write it off as paranoia instead of addressing it if you like, but consider this: 'campaigns and elections' a respected political trade mag estimates that as of 2002, 36 local republican party organizations were controlled by these people.

Hmm, I don't think I ever said it was a funny joke. Nor an acceptable one. I thought it was rather pathetic actually.

Just seemed to demonstrate an increasingly evident trend for whining and bitterness from the left since the election. But nothing surprising.

sorry..it was 36 state party organizations.   

 i keep making a distinction youre ignoring or not reading between all other christians and dominionists. 
i realize that inflames the issue to your advantage...so youve made my point for me i guess.

Democrats just cant joke. Remeber Hillary and her Ghandi Joke? Yesterday, I heard Jeanine Garofalo trying to be nice to the 60m that voted for Bush. Yet she still came off as insulting and demeaning to the 60m.

The simple fact of the matter iw, the only group of americans that can be legally discriminated against are White Male Christians. As Draginol said, if you substitute jews or muslim (or Blacks or Hispanics), he woul dhave been castigated back into the stone age.

Democrats need to learn how to have a sense of humor before they can start making good jokes that dont offend half the audience.

sorry..it was 36 state party organizations. i keep making a distinction youre ignoring or not reading between all other christians and dominionists. i realize that inflames the issue to your advantage...so youve made my point for me i guess.

And LW's implied question remains. How many State Democrat organizations are controlled by Unions, Feminists, Greens, etc. Simply put, the farter you are to the ends of the political spectrum, the more likely you are to be involved in local and state and national politics (vs just voting). So sure, while the party machinery may be controlled by the extremist on both sides, the politicans are not. That is what primaries are for (and why the Caucuses have generally been abandoned).

"by changing 'muslim' to christian, 'allah' to christ or jesus christ, 'sharia' to dominion, 'qu'ran' to bible and 'caliphate' to kingdom...and youll have an exact quote from a book by george grant (former director of coral ridge ministries--with a 3.5 million listener weekly audience) entitled The Changing of the Guard, Biblical Principles for Political Action"

ooo, 3.5 million. that's a little more than 1/100th of the US population, and a teeny minority of the 150+ million Americans that consider themselves Christians. Also, looking at it that way assumes everyone that listens to him agrees with that agenda, which is never true either.

But because a small minority of Christians feel a certain way, Kingbee seems to be scared of Christians. Sound familiar... in terms of your own Muslim analogy? In addition, another point that Kingbee REFUSES to admit, is that activism, political participation, and voting ISN'T A CRIME. Organizations like NoW and the ACLU are making political war on EVERY law or policy they disagree with. Christians, of whatever bias, aren't allowed to do the same?

Of course they are. The Christian minority in question isn't doing anything any different than NoW or any other biased organization. They aren't beheading people and promoting armed uprising, so people need to shut the hell up and oppose them in the same spirit THEY are being opposed, through political activism and with their votes.

*Sigh*

You know what? Forget it. I'm not going to try and keep people from going nuts over a joke they didn't find funny. I found it funny. I laughed because of course something like that would never happen. And of course it was a bitter joke. That's pretty much all we liberals have at the moment to consol us. If this joke really makes you feel bad, go look on the web for some jokes at liberal's expense, read them, laughl, and move the hell on.

Oh, like this joke:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14880092&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=you-met-the-monkey--now-meet-his-trainer-name_page.html

Or maybe this joke:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/uclickcomics/cx_po_uc/latest

Or maybe this joke:

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db040407.gif

Hahahaha. Gee, I am doubled over with laughter. NOT.

No, more like these:

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AAAHAHAHAhahahaha...good stuff.

I'll be honest. I didn't realize it was a joke. Now that I know it is, and if it's a joke to describe how ridiculous such an idea is (and don't pretend that Democrats out there don't think Christians shouldn't get to vote, look at any topic here about how Christians were so wrong to vote because their votes were influenced by their beliefs yet can't argue why it's all right for others to vote for Kerry even though their vote is also influenced by their beliefs), then I must apologize to the man, because I assumed less of him.

id just rather not know the political leanings of my favorite entertainers, regardless of their party.

I know exactly what you mean. Garbage is my favorite band, but after reading two snippets of Shirley Manson's journal, I learned that it's best I know less about the celebrities I adore.

I'll be honest. I didn't realize it was a joke. Now that I know it is, and if it's a joke to describe how ridiculous such an idea is (and don't pretend that Democrats out there don't think Christians shouldn't get to vote

You should have heard Jeanine Garafolo yesterday.  She basically said the same thing, and was serious!  And could not beleive that people got mad at her for saying it!

Can you say clueless?  I knew you could!

Democrats: Christians should not get to vote By: Draginol Posted: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 on Opinionated Techie Message Board: Politics Here's an interesting view point from a well known Democrat: Born again Christians shouldn't get to vote: Following University President Don Randel’s warm introduction, the famed author, host, and wry wit of A Prairie Home Companion, started by commenting on election results. “I am a Democrat—it’s no secret. I am a museum-quality Democrat,” Keillor said. “Last night I spent my time crouched in a fetal position, rolling around and moaning in the dark.” Not one to shy away from speaking his mind, Keillor proposed a solution to what he deemed a fundamental problem with U.S. elections. “I’m trying to organize support for a constitutional amendment to deny voting rights to born-again Christians,” Keillor smirked. “I feel if your citizenship is in Heaven—like a born again Christian’s is—you should give up your citizenship. Sorry, but this is my new cause. If born again Christians are allowed to vote in this country, then why not Canadians?”

Liberals shouldn't be allowed to vote either.