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Your ideology is not superior
Published on November 19, 2004 By Draginol In Republican

I'm a conservative. I make no bones about it. I have plenty of liberal friends. Most of my "good" political discussions are with my friends who are liberal. I have a friend in New York who I talk to a few times a week and I respect his opinions immensely. He's also very liberal.

There is a basic problem in our country right now, however. I look at the positions my liberal friends take, listen to them, and ultimately decide I don't agree with them. But I respect their right to an opinion.  But all too often, liberals do not have that same respect for conservatives and their opinions. Supporting Bush's policies is not a sign of ignorance, greed, selfishness, or warmongering. In my case, I support Bush's policies because of careful consideration.

I do not agree with Bush on every issue. The deficit being a real issue for me. But overall, I consider him to be on the right side of many issues. I don't expect liberals to agree with me. But I do expect them to show some basic respect for my right to my opinion and not to assume that my opinions are inferior to theirs.

Some of my friends have tried to argue that "Well, both sides have their share of kooks that don't have any respect for the other side." Sure. Both sides have their kooks. But I am not going to accept that there's something even remotely approaching a balance.  The American left's most vocal advocates right now are much more militant than any other group. They have been for the past 4 years. They're hateful, nasty, and intolerant of other points of view.

Look at this website for instance: http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/3/ 

There's 500 pages of pretentious left wingers "apologizing" to the world that we elected Bush.  How arrogant.  There's the whole "Jesus Land" map floating around the net - implying that Kerry lost only because conservatives are a bunch of religious zealots. More arrogance.

Some would argue that since the liberals are the minority right now, that it makes sense for them to be more militant and vocal.  But you'd be hard pressed, even during the Clinton administration, to find evidence vast amounts of hateful, condescending arrogance from the right.

I never assume people who voted for Kerry were "stupid" or "moronic" or "selfish".  I simply feel that they supported Kerry because he was closer in line to their positions on a host of issues.

I think that liberals, by nature, are more arrogant than conservatives. And I'll tell you why: Because through their actions over the past few decades, liberals have demonstrated that they do not trust the democratic process.

Why do I say that? Two reasons:

First - they repeatedly have shown that they think elections are rigged and that's the only reason why they "lose". It's a good thing Kerry did lose Ohio. You know why? Because the monkey business in Wisconsin on election day would have been a bigger deal.  You see, Bush only lost Wisconsin by 11,000 votes. If Bush had won Wisconsin, Ohio wouldn't have mattered. But here's the thing, Democrats slashed all the tires on the Bush campaign's vehicles on election day.  In fact, the Republican HQs in Wisconsin were subject to repeated quasi-terrorist attacks during the final days.  You think that might have affected the Bush "get out the vote" efforts? You bet they did. In a major metro area, get out the vote drives, on election eve and election day generate tens of thousands of votes.  While Kerry supporters try to argue that Ohio was "Barely" for Bush (Bush won by 140,000 votes), the difference in Wisconsin really hits home. If you want to talk about dirty tricks, it was the Democrats who played the dirtiest.  Go ahead and Google it, try to find cases of Democratic operatives being attacked or kept from running their HQs in various states. They are few and far between. 

Here in Livonia Michigan, the big old giant Kerry signs shown proudly on Farmington Rd all the way up to election.  The big Bush signs? About a week before election someone painted "Nazi" on the Bush signs (which caused them to be taken down).  Sure, it's an "isolated" incident but it all adds up.

Second - The other reason I think it's clear that liberals don't trust the electorate has to do with their tactics.  Liberals use the courts to get their way rather than trying to get their way through the democratic process.  I've talked to liberals on-line, in email, and in person over the years and the same thing comes up "You can't count on the average person to do the right thing, that's why you need judges."  No. That's bullshit.  I happen to trust the average person to "do the right thing".

If the people of Hicksville USA want to allow a moment of silence in their classroom, that's fine with me.  If they want to put up a 10 commandments plaque in their class room, that's fine too. Only if something violates the constitution in a way that's unbeatable should judges get in.  The constitution, if you read the whole thing, is pretty clear on the matter - if it's not obviously covered by the constitution, it's left to the people to decide.  In fact, so insistent on that point were the founders that they added the 10th amendment lest there be any confusion. If it's not spelled out in the constitution, then the people have the right to make the law on a local level.

As an agnostic, I don't care about religion. But I do know that having a plaque showing the 10 commandments is not the same as establishing a state religion. At Christmas I put up a Christmas tree. Does that make me a pagan? I also put up a Nativity scene. Oh gosh, I'm so conflicted.

But liberals have shown that they don't trust the will of the people. They use the courts.  You want gay marriage? Fine. Make your case to the people. Don't go judge shopping.

But they don't make their case to the people because liberals, far more so than conservatives, have little (ahem) faith in the wisdom of the common man. Hence, when someone like George W. Bush gets elected, it doesn't occur to most of them that perhaps their views are out of touch with the mainstream. No, they instead argue that the people were somehow tricked. Or that they're just plain "stupid" or that they need to be "enlightened".

Many conservatives, such as myself, are outraged when our views are trivialized like that.  We look at the lives we lead, the accomplishments we've made, the contributions we provide to society and can't help but wonder where the liberal arrogance comes from.  For instance, red counties on average have a much lower crime rate than blue counties. Even counties that have similar populations. Why is that? Republicans tend to make more money. That's not a surprise. But are they Republicans because they're wealthy or are they wealthy because their life philosophy is more conducive to financial success? I believe it's the latter. Who gives more to charity? Which kind of people grow most of the food? Which kind of people create most of the jobs? Which kind of people are the ones to volunteer first to defend their country? Which ones are more likely to stay married? Which ones are more likely to have children in wedlock?

In other words, conservatives have plenty of room to be snobby - if they chose. But there seems to be a greater level of. well decency with the right.  If you're liberal and reading this you're probably outraged at that claim. But I can't conclude anything else. Even the right wing kooks I see on-line rarely get into venomous name calling nearly as easy as left wingers do.  The left still talks about McCarthyism as if it was yesterday. But I probably get called a "Nazi" once a week by some left winger.  I'm sorry but if you think my political beliefs are somehow extreme, you need to re-evaluate your positions. My positions on most issues are, at most, slightly right of center by any sort of objective measurement.

If the American left wants to have any influence in society, they need to get over themselves. They need to recognize that there are other view points that are equally valid to theirs. They need to recognize that diversity isn't just about skin pigment. They need to recognize that tolerance isn't just a catch-phrase. 


Comments (Page 2)
on Nov 19, 2004

How did we get so rich if we are ignorant idiots from Hickville?

better probate lawyers? 

on Nov 19, 2004
When you use the slashing of tires and other "dirty tricks" as a reason to hate the left, you have to realize that probably over 99% of liberals would not do that, and it is really a case of a few bad apples.

Second - The other reason I think it's clear that liberals don't trust the electorate has to do with their tactics. Liberals use the courts to get their way rather than trying to get their way through the democratic process.


um, 2000 anyone?
on Nov 19, 2004
better probate lawyers?


How did we ever get the money to afford those lawyers if we are ignorant hicks?

on Nov 20, 2004

How did we ever get the money to afford those lawyers if we are ignorant hicks?

i'm guessing mr drysdale had a part in it

on Nov 20, 2004
iamheather, I said witnessed as in eye-witness as in IN PERSON. I can't speak for certain nameless internet pictures.
on Nov 20, 2004
iamheather, I said witnessed as in eye-witness as in IN PERSON. I can't speak for certain nameless internet pictures


The pictures were not intended for you. The pictures were from the website to show that they do not even adhere to their own rules. They are total liars and hypocrites.
on Nov 20, 2004
I'll agree that I can be pretty arrogant. In fact, it's a trademark of mine. And I would definitely consider myself a liberal.

But I think the ultimate in arrogance is assuming that not only is your position the only correct one, but that other people shouldn't even legally be allowed to disagree. That sort of arrogance is rampant in Republican circles. The Republican party is the only one I've ever seen that takes pride in its intent to legislate morality.

What's more arrogant than this: "I believe this way. And I know you don't. And I don't care. Becasue I'm in power, and I will make a law that says that whether you agree with me or not, you're required to act like you do." ?

The separation of Church and State has repeatedly been ignored by the most hardcore Conservatives. And with that mingling of the two, laws get created that directly interfere with a person's right to make personal, self-affecting choices. I can't conceive of anything more arrogant than the typical conservative belief that they have a greater right to their beliefs than I have to mine, so much so that laws are written to affirm that.

I'm very vocal about my beliefs. And I'll be the first person to step up and call someone out as an idiot and a bufoon for insisting that I conform to their system of beliefs. And I do feel superior: I'm willing to let them hold whatever personal beliefs they might have as long as they don't infringe on my rights in the process; you'd be hard-pressed to get the same commitment from most staunch Conservatives.
on Nov 20, 2004
And I do feel superior


enough said...point made
on Nov 20, 2004
I apologize for the 59 Million who are getting picked on by the 55 Million because somebody is a "sore" loser...if anything I can always iterate with more force and conviction that my vote for Libertarian candidate was better placed and more superior...though instead of being AN ASS, I will act like a gentleman and say 59 Million have said their word and so did 55 Million but alas 59 Million is greater than 55 Million no matter how you try to cut and I don't think the 59 is any less intelligent than the 55. The game is over, the victor is declared...

IT IS ONLY FOUR YEARS, FOUR YEARS, FOUR YEARS, until your arses can play the game again.

Thank you and drive through condescending and gloating arses!!

- Grim
1 of 390,000 who voted for Badnarik
on Nov 20, 2004
drag..yet another great article...damm you....you hit the nail on the head again....show off..lol

now I as a conservative have seen the lengths the left will go...case in point..I attended the "protests" in NYC during the RNC convention....myself and bout 300 others of a group I'm in counter-protested...and boy as soon as we co-mingled inside the left's big protest march....holding our signs up higher than theirs....well needless to say the shit-ith had hit-ith the fan! After repeaded violent attacks on us,the theft of our american flags (one of which was presented to us by a vetrans group) which became the target of anger as they were ripped then spit on and finally set afire.(thanks to NYPD for stoping that) and a host of other "peaceful" acts by the left...they can wallow in their own disgust...first positive thing they have done in decades. Those that say..well your attackers were only a small element of the movement...thats 100% fecal matter!

The most hypocritical things I witnessed that week were groups like United for Peace and Justice(tainted kool-aid drinkers) sell t-shirts with their emblem on it inside the march itself...its intresting that the t-shirts were made in china yet one of their harping lines is 3rd world slave labor....then there was the protesting that same week of starbucks/mcdonalds..for corporate greed of all things by these useful idiots..funny thing...later that day they were in both spots enjoying the benefits of those same corporate basterds...go figure

If the left wants to lose the next election...let alone the mid-term elections in the house/senate...please keep Michael Moore as your spokesman and welcome him with open arms at the DNC and democratic events.....

on Nov 20, 2004
KingBee: As any FYI, Roe vs. Wade is a ruling. Not a law.  While I am pro-choice, I would love to see Roe vs. Wade overturned because it is terrible constitutional law.
on Nov 20, 2004

Roe vs. Wade is a ruling. Not a law


i was envisioning the most likely basis for overturning r v wade: the court determing a fetus is protected by the 14th amendment.

on Nov 20, 2004
For instance, red counties on average have a much lower crime rate than blue counties. Even counties that have similar populations. Why is that? Republicans tend to make more money. That's not a surprise. But are they Republicans because they're wealthy or are they wealthy because their life philosophy is more conducive to financial success? I believe it's the latter. Who gives more to charity? Which kind of people grow most of the food? Which kind of people create most of the jobs? Which kind of people are the ones to volunteer first to defend their country? Which ones are more likely to stay married? Which ones are more likely to have children in wedlock?
And this ISN'T arrogance? You might as well just summarize your point as: "Since we conservatives are so much better, where do you liberals get off thinking you are better?" and leave it at that.

Truly, the problem is that the left and right see a different bottom line. Nowhere is this more evident than in the claim, stated above, but repeatedly cited on these forums: Conservatives are better people as evidenced by the fact that their life philosophy is more conducive to financial success. Maybe this is materialism or maybe it is Puritanism (God rewards with material success). Maybe it is social Darwinism in believing that the most fit humans are those that win out in economic competition. Since I lend no credence to such a belief system, the assumption that the economically best off are assumedly better people comes across to me as pretty arrogant, especially when the speaker is well off himself or herself.

However, even if you totally reject my belief system in this area, you ought to be able to see the the irony, Draginol, in citing the economic superiority of red counties over blue counties in the same piece where you deride your opponents for disrespecting the views of the common man.

You find the liberal side unbearable, but your own piece is pretty good evidence of the conservative side being at least as unbearable. For the second straight presidential election, your side has done the impossible: You have managed to come away both the winner and the aggrieved party, if you are to be listened to.

Lets be honest here though. Both sides contain a pretty high proportion of people who are absolutely sure that they are right. Both sides have a pretty high number of people who then turn around and state things without tact or thought, and can be easily given as examples of the barbaric nature of the opponent. And, naturally, both sides notice their opponents' transgressions in this area a lot more than they notice their own -- in no small part because, when they read their own sides' statements, they can discern the clear spokespersons from the foolish followers.
on Nov 20, 2004
better probate lawyers?


How did we ever get the money to afford those lawyers if we are ignorant hicks?


Actually, probate (I hope this isn't too far off topic) is an antiquated process for settling an estate by which attorneys perpetuate a huge income source. Under the guise of determining if there is creditors against an estate the process is kept alive. How is it paid for? Well, it's paid for by the life long work (accumulated assets) of the family, the attorneys just make sure to keep the estate in the probate court until they make (read: spend) enough of the estate assets to satisfy them.

It really has NOTHING to do with party affiliation as far as passing on wealth.

I would assert that the greatest evidence that the "left" (broad brush) is arrogant, is simply thier policies. In general, the left supports government programs, i.e. more centralized government. Centralized government, to me, means that those good ol' boys back in Washington are the ordained ones that should be able to determine for us (the general populace) what is right and good because, of course, we are all too stupid to figure it out on our own.

Taxes? They should get more of what I work for because, of course, THEY know better how to spend it.
Health Care? They should provide it because, of course, THEY know better how to provide it.
Retirement? They should control it and annuitize it because, of course, I'm too stupid to make my own choices.

To reiterate Drag's points, I don't care if the 10 commandments is on display in a court house, it is non-threatening to my beliefs, I don't care what people do in their bedrooms, and I'm not interested in them advertising it, I don't care if my neighbor puts up a nativity scene or a minorah or a may pole or a flag, it won't affect my property value, I don't care if the Boy Scouts use the park, if it bothered me I'd go elsewhere, I don't care if my neighbor has a glock an AK-47 or a dozen, just don't shoot pigeons off my roof with them, I don't care if Big Macs are 2000 calories and 1500 of FAT, I'll read the nutritional contents and eat elsewhere if I don't like it, I don't care if the Forest Service goes into forests to remove the dead underbrush and overgrowth, guess we should wait for a lightning strike so it all burns down (Sierra Club really needs to get a clue on this one).

To be fair, at some level, people can be too stupid. I know of no other way to explain the CAUTION sticker on my girlfriend's hair dryer, DO NOT use in shower or while asleep. I can only conclude from this, that someone somewhere must have actually done this. However, who are we to attempt to defeat natural selection? In any event, there has to be some method and reason to the madness and the left, in general, goes way too far in attempting to protect people from themselves, hence, what I perceive as "elitist" and "arrogance".
on Nov 20, 2004

Reply #17 By: latour999 - 11/19/2004 11:26:02 PM
When you use the slashing of tires and other "dirty tricks" as a reason to hate the left, you have to realize that probably over 99% of liberals would not do that, and it is really a case of a few bad apples.

Second - The other reason I think it's clear that liberals don't trust the electorate has to do with their tactics. Liberals use the courts to get their way rather than trying to get their way through the democratic process.


um, 2000 anyone?


Do your homework. Gore started that NOT Bush!
And BTW Gore is a liberal dem. Point and game.
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