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imageThere is quite a bit of concern (mostly from marketing) that people will be angry when beta 2 comes out because of how much we crippled the betas.

I hope those of you in the beta understand why we did what we did with the betas. Elemental is a new game. It’s been many years since there’s been a new fantasy strategy game made from scratch. As a result, it was important to us that we not rely on 3D graphics or multiplayer in order for the game to have good game mechanics.

Now, some of you may be like me where you’ve played games for decades so you’ll understand where I’m coming from.  A GOOD game shouldn’t need super good graphics or high end production values. Tower Defense is an awesome game and it has virtually no graphics.  So for Beta 1, we went to considerable efforts to force it to be, well, suck in order to get the beta testers to think about the game AS A GAME rather than as some sort of multimedia experience.

Now, when Beta 2 shows up, obviously with the 3D engine, some of you may feel we were trying to torture you or something. We just wanted to make sure that you guys felt truly free to debate and suggest different game ideas.

When this is all done, we will have to revisit just how much of an impact you guys have had in making the game a BETTER game and how much of that was because of being able to play minus fancy graphics.

Nowadays, it’s very very rare for brand new major PC games to be made. Nearly everything is a sequel or a remake. We felt it important that we take our time and do this right.  So while 7 months in beta 1 might have seemed excessive, I think it’ll become clear that giving the beta testers time to debate game mechanics and concepts was worth it.


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on May 13, 2010

Just one minor example. With the beta, it would never ever have occurred to us to have a global resource system. Every city having its own resource pool has always been how it's done. If not for the beta testers debating it we would never have considered something new and interesting like this which has led to a much "funner" game design. When the reviews of the final game come out, I think the importance of having beta testers involved as early as possible will become increasingly recognized.

Next game I want to get people involved even before the beta as it has worked out incredibly well on Elemental.  

For those of you who are new to Elemental, go check out the beta forums. The concepts, ideas, reports, and so forth are just amazing.  

Beta 2 is being made for every gamer who has felt like PC gaming has become merely a commodity of stale ideas and mass production concepts. We thank you.

on May 13, 2010

Frogboy

Beta 2 is being made for every gamer who has felt like PC gaming has become merely a commodity of stale ideas and mass production concepts. We thank you.

Not just PC Gaming, but Gaming in general.  I am VERY excited for Beta 2!

on May 13, 2010

Me too, I can't wait!

on May 13, 2010

I'm easy going as long as the quality is there.

on May 13, 2010

Well, I must admit that this is my first beta testing. I never wanted to beta test a game before, but since I just love the fantasy strategy genre [especially if it's a fantasy TBS] + I always respected you lads @ Stardock, I was like....hmm this is a game, which has a huge potential...so I pre-ordered, and I am very happy with what I've seen so far. It's a very good thing that the devs are interacting with the testers, and not only that...but the devs care about the opinion of the testers. Hats off!

+ This is a really good, and mature community what we have here, on this forum. [Thankfully we only had 1 Hortz! ] The players are coming up with very interesting ideas & suggestions on a daily basis. The bug reports were also decent so far... this is my opinion of course, since this is my first beta. 

To sum it up: it's a very good thing to be part of this beta...can't wait for phase 2.

on May 13, 2010

I think this concept of game creation should have been done a long time ago. The friends of mine I have told about this seem to agree, even got one of them on the hook and interested in the beta 2! I don't understand why more developers don't try to get input from the people they ultimately want to sell their product to. Must have something to do with a lack of desire to hear the feedback, or a fragile ego, or just money. I am just excited to have a quality game for a change. One I will want to play a year from now and not lose interest in 3 months. Anyway I am very happy to suffer through bugs and CTD's just to know in some small way I helped to shape the final product. Thanks guys!!!  

on May 13, 2010

"Interior crocodile alligator I drive a Chevrolet movie theater" that's a good explanation of the beta.

on May 13, 2010

It's counterintuitive to me to think that beta-entrants would be angry, if anything I'm extra-double-triple pleased that we get to see the game with its bells and whistles attached

on May 13, 2010

sur17
It's counterintuitive to me to think that beta-entrants would be angry, if anything I'm extra-double-triple pleased that we get to see the game with its bells and whistles attached

Our worry is that when users see beta 2, it'll be pretty obvious how much we've been holding back on.  But we are convinced that had all the goodies been made in beta 1, we might have ended up with a much poorer game.

The beta testers can hopefully attest to just how much the game has changed since October in terms of how it functions.

One nice thing is that we didn't ditch previous ideas but rather added to them so that modders can use them still. 

on May 13, 2010

The excellent and frequent communication should be prevent anybody from getting the wrong idea. I'd also bet your audience for this game is on the more mature side.

 

 

on May 13, 2010

Well, I mean there are a lot of "game play excerpt" videos using the non-cloth map function, even in the Media section, so its not like we would be completely surprised ...

I would like for Beta 2 please.

on May 13, 2010

Can I have Beta 2 now?  please?

on May 13, 2010

Thanks for the heads up.. I migth be a little angry to see how awsome this game actually is lol, just kidding! Stardock is in my opinion one of the greatest gamedevelopers out there.. Ps. I read on a fan page on facebook about mr. CEO of Stardock.. "Frogboy". It's quite a journey you've had. And I admire what you have done. And the hights you are going to bring Stardock to.. Is there any possibilities to buy any shares in Stardock, cuz now would be a good time to invest hehe. Great job guys. I surly is excited about beta 2. Looking forward to it.

on May 13, 2010

More companies should extend their development period on their games... It goes a long way.

 

Beta 2 NOW! (starts FOAMING AT THE MOUTH!>>!>$@$#$#)

on May 13, 2010

Its not necessarily the length of the development period (although that certainly helps) but it is the determination to get things right, as well as willingness to cooperate with the player base.

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