Europe: Israel biggest threat to world peace?

New poll exposes paranoia? Or racism?

Published on November 10, 2003 By Draginol In Current Events

What is it with the continental Europeans and their hatred of Israel? In a recent European poll, 59% of Europeans responded that they think Israel is the greatest threat to world peace. Israel. Not Iran. Not Iraq. Not North Korea. Heck, not even the United States.

I've talked via email with people from Europe (western Europe mainly) who just can't understand why Americans have such a "blind spot" to the "obvious" threat Israel poses. What threat? Threat to whom? The threat Israeli children pose to bombs? Their bodies interfering with the trajectory of nails in a suicide bomber's murder device? That threat?

I am pro-Israel. I'm not Jewish. I just have a healthy respect for people who work hard and succeed. Israel is a winner. They win by working hard and doing things intelligently. I have little patience for people who make excuses for failure. I consider myself to be pretty representative of American attitudes, particularly on this issue. We Americans have little tolerance for losers. Or at least losers who lost due to incompetence.

And the various "nations" (for lack of a better term) that surround Israel just strike me as real sad sacks. Grasping at any boogeyman to blame for their own ineptitude they focus on Israel . Israel is the only democracy in that part of the world. What's Jordan's excuse? Or Egypt? Egypt gets billions in economic aid from the United States and still can't seem to get their act together. Oh, I'm sure someone will again email me blaming the United States for all the ills of the middle east. It never fails. But that's again why Israel makes them all look so pathetic. Here's a country with no oil, no real natural resources, fairly crummy land and yet manages to have a stable democracy with a great deal of freedoms for their citizens.

Instead of the Arabs blaming Israel for their problems maybe...just maybe they should look inward. Maybe writing off half their population (women) might just possibly put them at a competitive advantage with the rest of the world. Maybe if they unshackled the potential of their people they might not stay at the bottom of the world's food chain.

Israel, being a democracy, makes use of its full potential. The people work hard. They have shown immense toleration towards atrocities that specifically target the helpless. And in a terrible part of the world they have succeed in creating a successful nation that could, if it chose to, conquer its neighbors. It seems pretty clear from here that Israel just wants to go about its own business, preferably without having its children shredded by some psychotic Islamic terrorist.

But do the Europeans relate to that? No, they seem to feel sympathy towards the Palestinians. The people who never seem to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity (to quote George Will). How can you feel sympathy for people who intentionally target women and children? If Israeli's had the mindset of these Islamic fascists, there'd be no Palestinians left. I have little sympathy for the Palestinians. And over the years as I've learned more on the situation the less sympathy I have for them. I can think of a half dozen other peoples who deserve their own independent state more than the Palestinians.

It gets increasingly difficult not conclude that a lot of European attitudes towards Israel stem from flagrant anti-Semitism. After all, this is the continent that routinely discriminated against them for hundreds of years culminating in the extermination of 6 million of them in a period of 5 years. An extermination, I might add, that wouldn't have been possible without a wide spread level of cooperation through-out continental Europe (i.e. don't just blame the Germans). I just can't think of any other way to reconcile how Europe can consider a country that's smaller than some counties in the United States being the single biggest threat in the world.

In fact, ironically, one is stuck between two possible conclusions: Either there's a serious anti-Semitism problem in continental Europe or those smart continentals aren't nearly as smart about geography and politics as they claim to be.

A lot of my friends are from Europe (in fact, most of the words I type each day go to friends or coworkers in Europe). I know that they're intelligent decent people. I know a lot of you who read this website are from Europe. So maybe you can explain to me what the heck is going on over there.

Comments (Page 4)

Pablo

on Nov 14, 2003

"People in Palestine do live in fear of reprisals from their terroists and their leaders, being in the main the same, so of course they will give a similar result, talk to them candidly and you get the truth."

Yes of course, and they are more than happy to have their land invaded by Israelis. They are just waiting that Israel finishes constructing the wall and keeping all the water resources to go and live inside the israeli paradise. And the israelis will be more than happy to have them in.

Anne-Laure

on Nov 14, 2003

"Solving.

Yes, it has solved something. Iraq got rid of a dictator. The Iraqi people are no longer afraid to speak their mind, which is btw the reason for why they also speak up against the Americans. This is good news. This means the plan is working."

Yes of course, getting the oil from Irak was out of the agenda. This is why Irak is a new Vietnam for the US with more and more soldiers being killed now than during the war. You will retreat.

Iraqi people hates and hates more every day the american (and coalition of the "willing") invaders. This is why the war IS NOT FINISHED at all, why the Iraqis have more support and strenght every day, not less.

From Sep.11 all your enemies are called terrorists. We DONT CARE what you call them. They are not fighting for Saddam Hussein's cause, but for their independence and dignity.

And their cause is fair. I am not the only one to know that you will one day be defeated because you are morally ill.

And i hope that day you'll open your eyes and understand that your country is the biggest criminal of the world, because you barely think before acting, before spitting your pretentions opinions full of disrespect and ignorance. You have supported the most dreadful regimes of this world: Pinochet in Chile, Trujillo, Videla, Franco in Spain, all the most ruthless dictators in Africa, yes you had Bin Laden paid by the CIA to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. All for the interest of the american economy. Yet you speak about promoting democracy. Hypocrites.

This idiocy will one day finish. I hope you are kicked out the arab lands. You have no right to be there.

And don't bother if you are going to answer with your blatant lies and american propaganda. I am too used to see that on the TV. Use real sources of information if you are going to say something.

Pablo

on Nov 14, 2003

Anthony R YOU ARE SO FUNNY!!!

You say "not the pabloized version".

All that article is made only with jewish authors, jewish govermnent sources, or jewish-american OFFICIAL sources, so what do you expect? the purpose is to establish a fairytale where the jewish are great and the arabs are pathetic, worthless and terrorists. This is so funny, it's such a good example of propaganda i will use it to teach my groups. Hahaha thank you for the document!! Priceless!! haha!!

anton

on Nov 16, 2003

Ex-Security Chiefs Turn on Sharon
Government Policies 'Create Hatred,' Israeli Newspaper Is Told
By Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, November 15, 2003; Page A01

JERUSALEM, Nov. 14 -- Four former chiefs of Israel's powerful domestic security service said in an interview published Friday that the government's actions and policies during the three-year-old Palestinian uprising have gravely damaged the country and its people.

The four, who variously headed the Shin Bet security agency from 1980 to 2000 under governments that spanned the political spectrum, said that Israel must end its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, that the government should recognize that no peace agreement can be reached without the involvement of the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, and that it must stop what one called the immoral treatment of Palestinians.

"We must once and for all admit that there is another side, that it has feelings and that it is suffering, and that we are behaving disgracefully," said Avraham Shalom, who headed the security service from 1980 until 1986. "Yes, there is no other word for it: disgracefully. . . . We have turned into a people of petty fighters using the wrong tools."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42821-2003Nov14.html

franky

on Nov 16, 2003

Dear Styrkar

Thanks for your balanced response

on Nov 19, 2003

It is not surprising that many Europeans have been mislead in the last ten years as the main European news providers have fed consistently mendacious reporting when it comes to the US and Israel. The reality is that though Marxism died in the corner of the world where it had power, its followers in the West never really surrendered. Thry simply moved on to take intellectual control over major media such as the BBC.

The BBC has led the way, as they are regarded around the world, as an orgnisation that respects the truth above all; a carryover from its past reputation. Moreover the BBC is second to none in the subtle art of delivery. The rest of the European press is amateur by comparison and its 'propaganda' immediately apparant.
And just to show that it is not just Europeans that assign Israel as the main threat to peace, here is an article in

http://www.europundi...

quoting a member of Knesset from the Meretz faction called Roman Bronfman.

Here again we see a Left winger sympathising with Palestinian Arabs while his own citizens, childrel and all, lie in blood.

Most people in the West have no thought for anything besides day to day life and take their opinion from organisations such as the BBC. So I wouldnt be hasty in ascribing anti-semitism to whole populations.

Solitair

on Nov 20, 2003

DP,
I'm glad to see you don't ascribe anti-semitism to the entire European population. Does it not occur to you in the slightest that maybe your own 'left wingers', and the Europeans could have a point? Maybe there is a problem with the official Israeli approach? Maybe this could be a threat to world peace? Maybe it could be generating terrorists? Maybe the Palestinians have nothing left to live for?

As for your assumptions that the BBC is under the intellectual control of Marxism, pure rubbish. The BBC definitely has it's bias, and makes mistakes but as a whole does a fairly good job. Europeans also have access to plenty of other news organisations and a wide range of opinions.

No, I'm sorry DP, but your arguments that we are being misled are poor. Which is more likely? 300M europeans being misled by 12 different governments and all the major news organisations or 2/3 of the Israeli population being misled and too blinded by hatred to consider the truth?

Paul.

on Dec 29, 2003

Joe loser, i meant user. What the hell you hate the arabs for? Because they are not a democracy, what does that have to do with who the land belongs to? You think perhaps maybe its Americans who have it all wrong after all they are the only nation who never had any experience with jews.

The reason people have problem with Israel is because what the jews keep doing. Israel is a winner because the jews in America made sure of that. They programmed people like you to support them all the way.

And whats this stuff about incompetence. The arabs aren't crying they are fighting back against israel and its superpower friends. By the way what the hell is America doing supporting some of those dictators there for. You know like Saddam in the 80s and The Shah in the 70s. Look at your politicians they are serving Israel more than America you fool. Its people like you who can't identify Palestine on the map who create problems.

This war in Iraq was organised by the zionist Americans and implemented by loosers like you. You are their proxy and good for you. Maybe if you start watching some real news and not the jewish owned ones that dominate america you will learn a thing or two.The more you run your stupid mouth the more you prove the point that you were zionised by the media in America.

Every where they go they wreak havoc and dominate other nations before they get kicked out, from the Babylon and Persian days to Europe. Maybe ,just maybe, they have a reason you fool. And you, you fool, are a proof of that. Your understanding of events is that of a frog's.

The jews my friend only dwell where there is might, whether its babylon,Egypt or Rome. The minute its depleted they take off usually after a bloody massacre. They came to your beloved after the second world war because of its power and took over like they always do. Israel is a shrimp, its America they control. Meanwhile keep rallying beheind the so called jewish neocons and after your through with Iraq go to Syria and Iran for them.

Send my regards to Richard Pearle, Wolfowits,Bill Kristoll ,Douglas Feith, David Frum, John Bolton and George Tenet and the other neocons,your jewish masters.

You loser.

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on Jan 10, 2004

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???

on Jan 10, 2004

O YEH!

S U C K O U T!!

DNT DISS THE EUROPEANS U AMERICAN FAGGOT, US EUROPEANS HAVE A BIGGER HISTORY THN AMERICAN HISTORY MULTIPLIED SERVREL TIMES BY THE NUMBER OF PPL KILLED IN THE 9/11 ATTACK!

DNT DISS EUROPE, DISS URSELF FOR HAVING NO HISTORY, WELL U DO ATUCLLY THOSE LIL COWBOYS WHO USE TO RIDE AROUND ON PONYS KILLING RED INDIANS COZ THY HAD BIGGER DICKS THN U

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