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The unethical concept of income redistribution
Published on July 4, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

Most people pay hardly any taxes to the federal government. In fact, half the adult population (50%) only pays around 4% of the total federal tax burden. The other half pays the other 96%. Sadly, most of those taxes are poorly used.  The works of government that affect you on a day to day basis are handled by the state. My state income taxes (here in Michigan) is a flat 4% of income (not counting sales tax and property taxes).

Here's a chart of what you pay on a state by state basis: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html

Federal Taxes are excessive

It is important to differentiate the state from the federal government. Most politicians running for the senate or house of representatives (or President) count on Americans being ignorant of who pays for what.  So here's the truth:  The basic services that most Americans consider the job of the government:  police, roads, schools, fire departments, etc. are handled by state or local governments -- not the federal government.  Remember that next time some politician tries to talk about how we need higher federal taxes in order to pay for "better" education.

For married people (which I am) the federal tax rate looks like this:

  Taxable Income

 

  Tax

Up to $12,000

 

10% of the taxable income

$12,000 to $46,700

 

$1,200 plus 15% of the excess over $12,000

$46,700 to $112,850

 

$6,405 plus 27% of the excess over $46,700

$112,850 to $171,950

 

$24,265.50 plus 30% of the excess over $112,850

$171,950 to $307,050

 

$41,995.50 plus 35% of the excess over $171,950

Over $307,050

 

$89,280.50 plus 38.6% of the excess over $307,050

So let's say you're a married couple, household income of $50,000. You're going to be paying up to $6,900 in taxes. Of course, that assumes you have no deductions. Throw in some kids and other deductions and that $6,900 largely disappears.

Let's say, however, you make $350,000. That's 7 times as much in income.  I think most people would consider it fair that they pay 7 times as much in taxes right? Of course, how many people think that they should pay 7 times as much for their phone? Or their cable bill? Or electricity? Probably not as many. Yet, does this family get any additional federal services? No. But guess what? They don't pay 7 times as much in taxes for making 7 times as much in income. No, they pay 14 times as much in taxes! That's right, on $350,000 of income they'd pay $96,000 in federal taxes.

Now, some people will say "Yea, but those rich people have all kinds of deductions." No, they don't. And as we shall see later, for all the claims of "the rich" finding "loopholes", they sure aren't doing a good job because people who make $350,000 or more are paying nearly all the federal taxes.

Federal Taxes: Not much bang for the buck

But you might say, "Well, the federal government doe a lot of things that helps everyone and the wealthy should pay more, after all, they can afford it." In fact, let's say you take the view Calor does. That the wealthy benefit disproportionately from the infrastructure of the United States and therefore should pay disproportionately.  The argument goes:  If Bill Gates was born in Somalia he'd be just another starveling. What makes Bill Gates Bill Gates is that he happened to be born in the United States where an educated work force, a strong and uncorrupted judicial and legal system protects businesses, and a good transportation and logistical system helps make it possible to bring products to market in over an entire continent.

Okay, let's say we accept that premise. That roads, education, a society that is based on rule of law, okay, let's go with that.  Unfortunately, that's not where your federal tax dollars go. They don't go to helping create a good criminal justice system or better roads or researching new technologies. No, they mostly go from you to some other individual. Here's a pie chart of where your tax dollars go.

Look closely at this.  Specifically: Social Security + Medicaid + Welfare + Medicare = > 50% of the federal spending.  Half of that federal taxes go from you to go to someone else.  All arguments over social justice and compassion aside, how exactly do these programs create opportunity? What exactly is the justification for spending money on these things from a governmental point of view? People like Michael Moore and Al Franken argue that those people buy things which in turn helps the economy and that "rich" people just waste it on fancy food and foreign cars. There's a technical term for people like Michael Moore and Al Franken, we call them "Dumb people". In the real world, most people who generate wealth do so because they are effective at utilizing capital. Blowing a significant portion of your capital on luxury items is not very effective. What these people do is take that capital and invest into things that will generate even more wealth which helps everyone.  I am not suggesting that taxes are universally bad. I am saying that income redistribution is bad because it is a less efficient use of capital. I certainly favor state programs that ensure that our citizens aren't starving or freezing out in the streets. But that's not where this money is going. In fact, programs that help ensure poor Americans don't go hungry are handled by (wait for it) THE STATES.

The original point of having the federal government was to "provide for a common defense, promote (not provide) the general welfare". Those things only use up a small percentage of the budget.  15% on defense, 2% on veterans benefits, 3% on natural resources, 3% on education and 8% on Misc.  Now, that 8% isn't all good stuff. That's where pork barrel programs fall into. You always hear about "corporate welfare". Well, that would fall into there somewhere.  But now you can see what a dishonest charge that is. It's hard to take people who cry "corporate welfare" seriously when that entire part of the budget falls under "Misc." and is only 8% while over half the budget is spent on real live welfare.

Even if you're one of the people who believe Social Security and Medicare are things "we pay into and thus should get something out", that still leaves 15% (Welfare and Medicaid) that are just pure give-aways.  Or put another way, it's charity. Which is ironic because the people who are most militant about increasing welfare are the same people who seem to detest the primary providers of charity historically - religious organizations. Rather than allow concerned volunteers to help their fellow man, we instead pay far away bureaucrats to administer money confiscated from the citizenry. But I digress.

Kleptocracy

The problem with income redistribution is that it opens a Pandora's box that can never be closed. Once you have convinced society of the need to take money from "the rich" to give to others you slide down a slippery slope.  Over time,  power of "democracy" comes in and the majority vote in leaders who increasingly take from the economic producers of society to hand over to everyone else. We already see that today:

This data is from: http://www.taxfoundation.org/prtopincometable.html

Total Income Tax Shares (percentage of federal income tax collections paid by each group)

Total

Top 1%

Top 5%

Top 10%

Top 25%

Top 50%

1980 100.00% 19.05% 36.84% 49.28% 73.02% 92.95%
1981 100.00% 17.58% 35.06% 47.96% 72.29% 92.55%
1982 100.00% 19.03% 36.13% 48.59% 72.50% 92.65%
1983 100.00% 20.32% 37.26% 49.71% 73.10% 92.83%
1984 100.00% 21.12% 37.98% 50.56% 73.49% 92.65%
1985 100.00% 21.81% 38.78% 51.46% 74.06% 92.83%
1986 100.00% 25.75% 42.57% 54.69% 76.02% 93.54%
1987 100.00% 24.81% 43.26% 55.61% 76.92% 93.93%
1988 100.00% 27.58% 45.62% 57.28% 77.84% 94.28%
1989 100.00% 25.24% 43.94% 55.78% 77.22% 94.17%
1990 100.00% 25.13% 43.64% 55.36% 77.02% 94.19%
1991 100.00% 24.82% 43.38% 55.82% 77.29% 94.52%
1992 100.00% 27.54% 45.88% 58.01% 78.48% 94.94%
1993 100.00% 29.01% 47.36% 59.24% 79.27% 95.19%
1994 100.00% 28.86% 47.52% 59.45% 79.55% 95.23%
1995 100.00% 30.26% 48.91% 60.75% 80.36% 95.39%
1996 100.00% 32.31% 50.97% 62.51% 81.32% 95.68%
1997 100.00% 33.17% 51.87% 63.20% 81.67% 95.72%
1998 100.00% 34.75% 53.84% 65.04% 82.69% 95.79%
1999 100.00% 36.18% 55.45% 66.45% 83.54% 96.00%
2000 100.00% 37.42% 56.47% 67.33% 84.01% 96.09%
2001 100.00% 33.89% 53.25% 64.89% 82.90% 96.03%

Take a close look at the bottom row. 

The top 1% of income earners in the United States already pay 34% of the federal taxes. The top 5% pay over half the taxes. Think about what that means once you have convinced society that it is ethical to confiscate money from one person to give to another.  We're not talking about taxes used to provide education to Americans. Or taxes being used to have a better police force. Or taxes to protect us from foreign enemies.  We are talking about taxes taken from one family to be given to another.  We are also not talking about taxes being used to feed starving people either. Instead, most of this money is now being used to either provide a life style that resembles "middle class" (without having earned it) or is used to provide health services.  Because now, health care is considered a "right".  In 1933, living to 65 was very unusual. Now, apparently, living to 80 is considered a right that should be guaranteed by the government or more to the point, guaranteed by the top 5% of income earners.

That is why so many conservatives abhor income redistribution. It has no end in sight. When 25% of the population pays 83% of the taxes, it becomes incredibly tempting for the other 75% of the population to just continually vote in new entitlements.  Today we debate whether prescription drugs should be provided for by the "government". I imagine a hundred years ago the idea of taxing people to give other people free medicine would have seemed absurd.  At the rate we're going it won't be long until the "government" is required to provide every adult with either a free automobile or annual vacation allowance. Or more to the point, that the 75% of the population that pays only a tiny share of the taxes votes in politicians who promise that the "wealthy will pay their fair share and provide them with free cars and free vacations!".

The usual counter argument is that the rich are "greedy". But who's really being greedy? Every demographic study of "the rich" show that they, on average, work longer hours and take greater risks than the rest of us. Moreover, statistically, those who oppose the welfare state are not much more likely to be rich than those who favor it.  It is an issue of principle, not greed. It is not the federal government's job to decide for us what an acceptable economic living standard is.  Besides that, it seems to me that those who demand free money are the ones who are being greedy --not the ones who are having to pay it.  You can almost imagine the politician saying "These greedy rich folks in their fancy houses and fancy cars think that the rest of us aren't entitled to have a nice car or nice home or a nice vacation! Well they are wrong. It's time for these greedy people to start pulling their own weight and ensuring that the rest of us are entitled to a decent Disney vacation too!"

Honest discussions about taxes rarely happen because the politicians are always so clever about hiding the truth from the average person. You hear things like "A big tax cut for the wealthy!" or "Bush's rich friends got most of the tax cut."  Of course they did because any serious tax cut is going to go to people who...pay taxes. Saying things like "The top 1% are getting 33% of the tax cut!" is like saying "20% of sick days are on a Friday". It's just dishonest politics. 

Moreover, what about the people who call for federal tax increases for things like "more money for education". Huh? The states provide nearly all of the education dollars. The federal government only pays something like 10% of the bill for public schools. And talk about inefficient use of capital - send money to Washington to send it back to go across the street? Duh? When people talk about raising taxes, what they really mean is bringing in more money to pay to other people in the hopes of making them dependents so that they'll keep voting for them.

So next time you hear politicians debate about taxes, tax cuts, the debt, and "entitlements", remember these things: (1) Most federal taxes are simply pay offs to other families. (2) One percent of the population pays a third of those taxes already. (3) Beware of entitlements, in a democracy, the majority of people can vote in any entitlement. And when that majority only pays 4% of the total tax burden, such entitlements are not a matter of IF but rather of WHEN.


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on Jul 04, 2004

Draginol - Great article.

Russellmz - that is a whole lot of very long rambling. I would feel honored that Brad spent time actually sifting through all that.

on Jul 06, 2004
20/20 is on doing a show on myths and misconceptions.One of the myths is that the rich don't pay much in taxes. Reality check: The top 5% pay 53% of the taxes. The bottom 95% of the population only pays 47% of federal taxes.


What I find interesting, is that despite these huge increases in the proportion of taxes [if not the actual total] paid by the top 20%, this richest one-fifth of the population is basically the only ones with any gain in household income since 1975, according to the CIA world factbook. They are growing richer, the middle class is stagnating, and the poor are fading. I'd like to see someone come up with a unified hypothesis that made sense, for this strange phenomena. Is it because while the proportion paid by the rich has increased, their total taxes [relative to their entire wealth] has decreased, and that taxes as a percentage of GDP has decreased over this period?

Link

JW

on Jul 06, 2004
Brad,

Sorry about coming in here with a TOTALLY irrelevent question, but i really didn't have any other idea on how to reach you or the relevent people. I have tried to create a new article and an "you are not authorised to access this page" warning shows up. Could you please let me know if this is just a clich and how to fix it or if there is some other reason that i should be aware of.

Sorry for the inconvenience and the barging into a forum thread. (Should I have asked this in the Bug report section of the forum?)

Marco
on Jul 06, 2004
Oh, one other question I had. You refer to federal taxes, and make the statement that the top 1% pay 1/3 of the total federal taxes. But your chart says "income" taxes. Are there other sources of federal income (i.e. corporate taxes, dividend payments)? And how much "income" comes to the wealthy through sources other than "income", i.e. dividends, etc.?
on Jul 06, 2004
Welcome to the world of Objectivism! Ayn Rand would be proud!

It's a fundamental principle of freedom that you can't be just a little bit free just like you can't be a little pregnant. You either are or you are not.

Any society where the majority can vote to take away the freedoms of the individual is an evil society. Our society simply has hidden this, much like Hitler did in WWII. Hitler said (originally before the whole chosen race crap) that the Jews were evil because they didn't let anyone else have a chance and thus had to be limited so that "orginary Germans" could have a chance. Translated that means "Jews are too hard working and too successfull. We have to stop them so that us lazy people get what they have."

And now we have the same thing in the Western world, it just happens to be in all of the "free" nations.

Democracies (and Republics in the case of the US) believing that they have the right to limit the freedom of individuals for the "greater good". No matter why a society limits freedom, it is evil by defintion (civilized people of course enter into an agreement to be part of a society where they will do no physical harm to another, on the understanding that the others won't do harm to them). What the socialists (i.e. almost all of the politicians) are saying now is "The rich should feel obligated to give their money to society because they have lots and it's the only way that us poor people are going to get a chance!" Translated: "Those damn rich people are too hard working and too successfull! We have to stop/leach from them so that us lazy people get what they have."

The only difference between WWII and now, is that the killing hasn't started.... unless you consider that the rich are killing themselves to become rich, so that others can prosper, as killing.... (which, since the intent is the same, I do.) Instead of gas chambers, we're now using peer pressure, TV ads, and a socialist policy the likes of which haven't been so powerfully used since the height of the Roman Catholic church.
on Jul 06, 2004

Jay: The freer the market, the greater the relative distance between rich and poor.

Think of it like a race. If one guy runs faster than another, then over time, the distance between them will become greater.

The question is, is this good? It's not an easy question to answer because while the distance between rich and poor may grow, the standard of living for the poor improved.

on Jul 06, 2004
Notsohighlyevolved: I ran into that too today.  I logged out and logged back in and closed by browser and I was fine.
on Jul 07, 2004
Thanks Draginol. I'll give that a try.

Marco
on Jul 07, 2004
As a matter of interest,

if the top 1% of tax payers pay 34% of the tax, what percentage of the income do they earn?

likewise

if the top 5% of tax payers pay 50% of the tax, what percentage of the income do they earn?

These are important questions as they will indicate how balanced or unbalanced the system really is. I hope that fraction of tax paid to roughly equal fraction of income received. Total income, not just taxable income.

Does anybody know?

Paul.
on Jul 07, 2004
because while the distance between rich and poor may grow, the standard of living for the poor improved.


I don't believe this is the case. I think the standard of living for the poor has fallen; certainly the articles I recall reading suggested that the bottom two quintiles are getting poorer.

Yes, if the rich get relatively richer to the poor, but the poor get absolutely better off than they were before, it's hard to argue that things aren't generally moving in the right direction. But this isn't the case.

Except for those concerned only about their own lavish situation, it's hard to have a heart and be unconcerned when a fair proportion of the population grows poorer. It brings about memories of Scrooge in a Christmas Carol - “Are there no prisons? And Union workhouses?” - Charles Dickens

on Jul 07, 2004
As a matter of interest,if the top 1% of tax payers pay 34% of the tax, what percentage of the income do they earn?likewiseif the top 5% of tax payers pay 50% of the tax, what percentage of the income do they earn?These are important questions as they will indicate how balanced or unbalanced the system really is. I hope that fraction of tax paid to roughly equal fraction of income received. Total income, not just taxable income.Does anybody know?


There's a chart at http://www.faireconomy.org/research/wealth_charts.html that shows that the bottom 50% of Americans owned 2.8% of the wealth in 2001. So it would seem that them paying 4% of the taxes is actually MORE than their "fair" share.

It is important to differentiate the state from the federal government. Most politicians running for the senate or house of representatives (or President) count on Americans being ignorant of who pays for what. So here's the truth: The basic services that most Americans consider the job of the government: police, roads, schools, fire departments, etc. are handled by state or local governments -- not the federal government. Remember that next time some politician tries to talk about how we need higher federal taxes in order to pay for "better" education.

Handled by the state and local governements, sure- but how many of these programs are paid for, in whole or in part, by (wait for it )... FEDERAL grants?
I don't believe this is the case. I think the standard of living for the poor has fallen....


Not entirely. My own informal survey turned up an interesting fact: with the vast improvements that have marked the cardboard box industry, the homeless are now able to build their shanties out of materials that are vastly more waterproof and durable than they were, say, just a few years ago.
on Jul 07, 2004
Emoticon Man,

that's funny - improvement in the cardboard boxes they live in! But important to them too! Republicans are all too happy that these folks don't vote, I think.
on Jul 10, 2004
littlewhip

Traditionally the purpose of democracy is to prevent tyranny (the accumulation of too much authority in the hands of one or a few). That is, democracy is not necessarily intended to give us "good" government, but to put some limits to the abuse of power, and to ensure that any bad government can be deposed and replaced peacefully.

Nonetheless, many people think that there is no system that can ideally order society and that democracy is not morally ideal.

Link

I'm more of Winston Churchill's view of the whole thing ...

"Dmocracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."


on Jul 15, 2004
vote for people who want change - not for the bastards who like this arrangement. Its a good start.
on Jul 15, 2004
What is equally dangerous is the lower income people, who pay no taxes, vote for the "punish the rich politicians" . Soon enough they will be a majority with a common goal. Make the rich pay for it all. Its time for a flat tax or VAT. Anything is better than this mess.
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