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Respecting the rights of the majority
Published on February 5, 2004 By Draginol In Personal Relationships

The United States is premised on the separation of church and state. But over time, what that separation means has changed.  The founding fathers wanted to ensure that people were free to practice whatever religion they wanted. Moreover, they wanted to ensure that the government did not establish any official religion. You will regularly hear the ACLU refer to the "establishment clause" of the US constitution as the basis for their various lawsuits against states.

It's a sticky situation because for such a long while, the percentage of Americans who were Christians were so high that religious concepts made their way into government policy. This wasn't intentional in most cases. If you're a true believer many things that are religious in nature just seem natural, common sense, normal. One such thing is marriage.

In hindsight, it was probably a bad idea for the government to recognize marriage as anything beyond a civil union. But it's easy to understand why this happened. Marriage is such a normal part of human life that how could the government not recognize it?  As an agnostic, it's never bothered me either way. I am comfortable with my beliefs and do not feel threatened by people's religions. In fact, I embrace their beliefs because it helps create a deep tapestry of culture that enriches us all.

I also believe in two social principles: 1) That the traditions of the super-majority should be respected and protected. 2) The rights of the minority should be protected.

I think government should get out of the marriage business entirely. I support the right of any two people to "get married" regardless of sex.  However, the super majority don't think the government should recognize these unions. And by our constitution, that's pretty much that. Marriage isn't a "right". The 10th amendment makes pretty clear that anything not explicitly outlined in the constitution is left to "the people" (in the form of their democratically elected representatives).

That said, gays should have access to civil unions that have the same legal punch as marriage. It may seem like semantics but to millions of Americans, it's not. There is a principle involved here. The same people who argued that the Super Bowl nonsense with Janet Jackson was "no big deal" are likely to not see why people object to gay marriage. The majority of Americans believe in these traditions and they have been with us for literally thousands of years. All around us, however, small minorities seem bent on using the government to infringe on those traditions.  Marriage is a cultural phenomenon, not a religious one. And as long as the majority of Americans practicing it believe it should be between a man and a women exclusively that is what it should be. It's their tradition. Contrary to what some may believe, majorities have rights too.

The government should work to ensure that civil unions have the same legal meaning as marriages. Two consenting adults, regardless of sex, should have the right to form a legal union.  For that matter, I believe that any number of consenting adults should be able to form civil unions (whether you're into "Polyamory" or whatever). But marriage should not be open for redefinition by a small minority of people. And they should not be trying to use the tools of government to hijack it for their own uses.

 


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on Feb 23, 2004
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on Feb 23, 2004
Yikes! Sorry for spamming the board with blanks!
on Feb 24, 2004
I think if they want to get married, they should.

-From the "civil union" standpoint, it shouldn't be an issue, if they want to, it'd be wrong to deny them
-From a biblical standpoint, they would be the ones having to answer for it. It would be oppressive to deny them, and God's not big on opression either
-From a personal standpoint, if two people, regardless of sexuality, want to be monogomous I think it should be encouraged. I have homosexual friends who sleep around less than my hetero friends, and I think that's admirable.
on Feb 24, 2004


Um, actually, I pray all the time in all sorts of places, including school.
on Feb 24, 2004
The definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, and I don't believe that's going to change. Majority is truely the core issue. MAJORITY wants marriage to be between a man and a woman. I believe that the majority of Americans want murder to be illegal... does that mean because 10% think that murder should be legal that it's okay? I think not. If marriage is between two men or two woman, which it won't be, then why can't marriage be between 3 women or 2 men and a woman? Why can't it be taken a step further and be between an ape and a man (who thinks he's in love with that ape). That may be an exaggeration, but think about it, minorities are not going to win, it's called a democracy!!!
on Feb 24, 2004
The opinion or will of the majority is irrelevant if an action is unconstitutional, unless the majority can arrange to amend the Constitution.

I have no problem with three people getting married. Go for it.

An ape can not consent to a marriage; any number of adults can.
on Feb 24, 2004
As an advocate for gay marriage I really liked your post. Your ideas are thoughtful and intelligent, your arguments are rational and not based on emotion or religion. However...of course the majority has rights too, rights that should be respected and protected. But giving homosexuals equal rights does not take away from the rights of anyone! Denying them the right to marriage does.
on Feb 25, 2004
If marriages are a cultural phenomenon then why should gays be denied a common act of comitment? Just because people are gay doesnt mean they arent part of American culture.
on Feb 25, 2004
Despite the measure of rationality expressed here, evolution and continual change are facts of life. Changing tradtions have always occurred and hopefully always will as our awareness expands and our understanding increases. There has always been enormous resistence to change, seems to be in our nature, as does the drive to pursue it. Allowing people the expression they desire in their personal lives, and since the impact of laws and government are overwhelming for us all, allowing the legal standing necessary to support those expressions, shouldn't be a threat to anyone elses way of life. We are all different in many ways. While some of us accept this and are willing to accept those differences, others through motivations that get more difficult to comprehend, devote their lives in an effort to suppress differing views. Too much anger, too much divisiveness, too much focus on things that do little to sincerely move us forward. Perhaps some like it just this way. I hope there is enough strength in nature of enough people intent on evolving that we can feel more hopeful then this moment in time fosters.
on Feb 25, 2004
I'm glad that i stumbled across this article. I am researching articles containing facts and opinions against gay marriage for my class in High School because I wish to debate the gay marriage laws. As a New Jersey citizen, I would want to do everything I can to prevent this state from passing the next Gay Marriage Law. This article has lended a bit more insight to my gathering argument. Thank you
on Feb 25, 2004
perhaps we should have trampled over those 9 people instead. come on, 100 to 1 odds aren't that bad =/
on Feb 25, 2004
the lives of children in these type of "marriages" will be affected. anyone think about that?
on Feb 25, 2004
yes, I have, and that's a very good point.
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