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Tips for community owners for dealing with net thugs
Published on May 7, 2005 By Draginol In Living in Cyberspace

Every once in awhile you'll hear about a beloved website whose host has taken it down out of frustration with having to deal with Internet thugs. Internet thugs are, thankfully, not very common, but there are enough out there that they can wreck the experience in trying to admin a website.

So what is an Internet thug? An Internet thug is basically a "griefer". Someone who gets off on trying to anger and upset other people. They do this in a variety of ways and the most common way is to take advantages of loopholes or gaps in a website's forum system.

For example, when we designed the blog community JoeUser.com, we allow users to "blacklist" people. So if someone is causing them anguish, they can make them go away.  Now, the person can still try (with a different IP address) to come back as an anonymous user but the user can then make their blogs require a UserID to post and at that point, the griefer is usually stopped in their tracks.

But many sites don't have that level of protection. Some news systems only support anonymous commenting or no commenting at all (at which case, much of the enjoyment is taken away if no one can even interact).  On such sites, the thugs can go wild.

Other sites have more protections but "moderators", wizops, and other sub-administrators don't have complete access to them. That can enable a thug to target a particular moderator to try to get rid of them. And most volunteers have a lower threshold of pain before they'll quit.

For me, when faced with a "flight or fight" instinct I am inclined to go with the latter.  I've been running on-line communities for twenty years (literally, 1985 with Commodore 64 based BBSes on up).  I've seen these guys and they typically are serial griefers -- they get off on it so they keep doing it over and over again.  I've found that the only way to deal with them is use all the admin powers at my disposal to make it painful for them as well.  Most admins I've met tend not to want to play dirty or take the gloves off. The griefers count on that and hence can play their sadistic little games with impunity.

But like I said, I play rough. If someone's griefing me, I'll get nasty.  Instead of just removing their post, I'll edit their post.  And if that doesn't discourage them, I'll eventually start posting their IP address.  And if that doesn't work, there is a lot more uglier stuff (particularly if the griefer doesn't live in the US) that I can do.  But usually post editing is enough. 

For example, if a griefer writes: "You're a pathetic asshat, (user's real name when possible) . You should stick with having sex with your (insert relative) ."  I will change it to say (with their real name as the responder) "I wish I was a girl. Sometimes, when no one is around, I like to wear a dress. Not having any genitalia makes me confused sometimes about what I should do and that's why I act out. Can you forgive me?"

Your ability to deal with griefers is only limited by your own conscience, your affiliation with the site (if you're a moderator and not an admin, you should be talking to the site owner before you start wreaking havoc, the site owner might be better equipped to deal with the griefer), and of course your real world resources.  In my case, we have lots of lawyers so any would-be blow hard making legal threats can learn the hard way just how nasty the US legal system can be, especially to someone skirting the boundaries of cyber-terrorism.  Which also means you should keep a log of any posts that person has made for use as future evidence if necessary.

Griefers rarely get bored. They get off on trying to hurt other people. But they're usually stupid, lazy people who will take the path of least resistance. The best way to deal with them in my opinion is through discouragment. There's lots of potential targets for these losers, your best bet is to make yourself a less appealing target. And I do that by playing hardball with them.  It's not about revenge or getting them back or even justice.  It's purely about finding the lever that makes them go away when a simple ban just doesn't stick.


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on May 11, 2005
The word "FUCK" is allowed in PG-13 movies. This site is a PG-13 site. It's all in the context. I'm not calling people "Fuckwad", I'm quoting the use of it. This isn't a kiddie site


Finally, I thought this day would never come. IT ISN'T A KIDDIE SITE, AT ALL. I hate people who are always like "Oh, it's ok, this site is for all ages" when they didn't even read the boldprint. (wel, it sure a heck wasn't fineprint, right?)

I find it retarded how people think they can go on a company site (wincustomize, deviant art, skin your screen, z3 gx Design, etc)and think they can get away with just swearing like a drunk sailer (sorry, i just had a huge lesson on asimmilies)
anyways, i think my point is eitherproven, or lost forever. i think that those who dont get it are the oners guilty of commiting this crime, and truthfully, should be punished.

But please: with moderatiing language, some on the very rare occasion, used in the proper context, at the proper time, in the proper forum, etc, should be acceptable, like for making a point.

Also, if you get tight-assed (expression, not swearing) about language and put in a language filter (i cant even use a radical modification of of the f word, or any other word, in runescape, also, someone should redesign the rs graphics))

SO, no language filters, but just watch ur toungue.

Keith MacDonald, President of z3 gx Design.
on May 11, 2005
It seems Barney is affecting this thread...
on May 11, 2005
Bichur certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, huh?
on May 11, 2005
Bichur certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, huh?


Don't be so hard on him, maybe he's We, Todd Ed. Not his fault.
on May 11, 2005
BakerStreet - Bichur certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, huh?


Citizen MasonM - Don't be so hard on him, maybe he's We, Todd Ed. Not his fault.



Curious, y'all trying to make a point?

Or are you just patting each others behinds to see who gets to be the pivot point of a circle jerk?
on May 11, 2005
Curious, y'all trying to make a point?

Wow, you didn't even have to duck did you?
on May 11, 2005
Nope.

How long will it take to formulate an anwer?
on May 11, 2005
Too long I guess.

I did notice you didn't answer yes to the 1st, nor no to the 2nd.

So I will have to assume the 1st answer would be no and now you're too busy to play (with me that is).

todowasao.
on May 11, 2005

It seems Barney is affecting this thread...

Kona.... yes, he is.  It keeps loading to the first page and not where we're up to....a definite 'Barney' bug....[another thread is afflicted, too].

As for the others commenting of late .... trying to score points off each other at the other's expense is pretty asinine.

This thread is about 'griefers' and dealing WITH THEM, not a playground FOR them....

on May 11, 2005
This thread is about 'griefers' and dealing WITH THEM


A smackeral of verbal pate.
A bonus scenario.
An aid if you will.

A...oh nevermind Jafo. Here, hear. Off to me bridge.




on May 16, 2005

I just got done dealing with a particularly notorious Internet griefer.  He made the mistake of demanding to talk to our legal department after he had engaged in very public defamation.  The legal department dealt with him. 

Which brings up one of the golden rules of Internet griefing: Griefers should never mess with companies with lawyers.

on May 16, 2005
Which brings up one of the golden rules of Internet griefing: Griefers should never mess with companies with lawyers.


on May 17, 2005
Guess that internet griefer forgot the first rule on staging a revolution:

Kill all lawyers first.
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