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Tips for community owners for dealing with net thugs
Published on May 7, 2005 By Draginol In Living in Cyberspace

Every once in awhile you'll hear about a beloved website whose host has taken it down out of frustration with having to deal with Internet thugs. Internet thugs are, thankfully, not very common, but there are enough out there that they can wreck the experience in trying to admin a website.

So what is an Internet thug? An Internet thug is basically a "griefer". Someone who gets off on trying to anger and upset other people. They do this in a variety of ways and the most common way is to take advantages of loopholes or gaps in a website's forum system.

For example, when we designed the blog community JoeUser.com, we allow users to "blacklist" people. So if someone is causing them anguish, they can make them go away.  Now, the person can still try (with a different IP address) to come back as an anonymous user but the user can then make their blogs require a UserID to post and at that point, the griefer is usually stopped in their tracks.

But many sites don't have that level of protection. Some news systems only support anonymous commenting or no commenting at all (at which case, much of the enjoyment is taken away if no one can even interact).  On such sites, the thugs can go wild.

Other sites have more protections but "moderators", wizops, and other sub-administrators don't have complete access to them. That can enable a thug to target a particular moderator to try to get rid of them. And most volunteers have a lower threshold of pain before they'll quit.

For me, when faced with a "flight or fight" instinct I am inclined to go with the latter.  I've been running on-line communities for twenty years (literally, 1985 with Commodore 64 based BBSes on up).  I've seen these guys and they typically are serial griefers -- they get off on it so they keep doing it over and over again.  I've found that the only way to deal with them is use all the admin powers at my disposal to make it painful for them as well.  Most admins I've met tend not to want to play dirty or take the gloves off. The griefers count on that and hence can play their sadistic little games with impunity.

But like I said, I play rough. If someone's griefing me, I'll get nasty.  Instead of just removing their post, I'll edit their post.  And if that doesn't discourage them, I'll eventually start posting their IP address.  And if that doesn't work, there is a lot more uglier stuff (particularly if the griefer doesn't live in the US) that I can do.  But usually post editing is enough. 

For example, if a griefer writes: "You're a pathetic asshat, (user's real name when possible) . You should stick with having sex with your (insert relative) ."  I will change it to say (with their real name as the responder) "I wish I was a girl. Sometimes, when no one is around, I like to wear a dress. Not having any genitalia makes me confused sometimes about what I should do and that's why I act out. Can you forgive me?"

Your ability to deal with griefers is only limited by your own conscience, your affiliation with the site (if you're a moderator and not an admin, you should be talking to the site owner before you start wreaking havoc, the site owner might be better equipped to deal with the griefer), and of course your real world resources.  In my case, we have lots of lawyers so any would-be blow hard making legal threats can learn the hard way just how nasty the US legal system can be, especially to someone skirting the boundaries of cyber-terrorism.  Which also means you should keep a log of any posts that person has made for use as future evidence if necessary.

Griefers rarely get bored. They get off on trying to hurt other people. But they're usually stupid, lazy people who will take the path of least resistance. The best way to deal with them in my opinion is through discouragment. There's lots of potential targets for these losers, your best bet is to make yourself a less appealing target. And I do that by playing hardball with them.  It's not about revenge or getting them back or even justice.  It's purely about finding the lever that makes them go away when a simple ban just doesn't stick.


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on May 07, 2005
That's really funny. I will have to keep my eyes open for that.

Comment spammers aren't griefers because they're not individual's, but I really have to wonder about those. How do they get off on posting comment spam? I really, really don't get it. Doesn't everyone just stop reading when they run into comment spam and, usually, griefers? At this point, it is all just noise, isn't it?
on May 07, 2005
Brad, if this has anything to do with the new email I sent you, that person did not post anonymously.
on May 07, 2005
IconClast: No, what inspired this was some incidents on another website where this guy keeps attacking me every time I make a news item.  At first, I just deleted his comments. Then I started editing them to say "Thanks for the news".  Then I edited them to include his IP address.  Then I edited them to have him say pretty vile things about himself.  I figure, anyone who goes around calling people "fags" and what not has it coming.
on May 07, 2005
So how do you think he was able to do it?
on May 07, 2005
Then I edited them to have him say pretty vile things about himself. 


Hehehehhehehehehe.
on May 07, 2005

Yea, even our system can be improved further. It's something we're considering.

on May 07, 2005
Remind me to never troll Brad's posts
on May 07, 2005
I think you should buy them off. Give them a big check and they'll leave..

you.. um asshat! (Address avalable upon request. I accept check, MO, and free software).

on May 07, 2005

Sadly, I've never been called an 'asshat'...

I must mingle with a whole different class of knuckle-dragger...

Interesting thing is there's a whole assortment of people who want to give 'grief'.....some are innocent noobs without a clue, others think they are good at it.

Generally it's a case of 'don't feed the troll' and even their fixation with creating trouble fades along with their attention span and IQ ennui.

It's still amazing how 'little' issue with this we have at Wincustomize....

Jafo hopes he hasn't spoken too soon...

on May 07, 2005
Sadly, I've never been called an 'asshat'...


Jafo, as usual you don't have a clue. You're an asshat.

You did see that coming, right?

on May 07, 2005
Can someone please explain what exactly an "asshat" is??..I would assume it's a pair of BVD's hmm?

LoL,
Zero.
on May 07, 2005
Remind me to never troll Brad's posts


Generally it's a case of 'don't feed the troll'


that's 2....
on May 07, 2005
shortened from basically... wearing you ass as a hat. To do so, then you have your head stuck...
on May 07, 2005
Can someone please explain what exactly an "asshat" is??


Oddly enough, I just posted an article which answers that question.
on May 07, 2005
Can someone please explain what exactly an "asshat" is??

It's self-explainatory. It's and ass you wear as an hat. Think of Monty Python's song "Sit on my face and tell me that you love me.
I'll sit on your face and tell you I love you too
I love to hear you o-ra-lise
When I'm between your thighs
You blow me away.

Sit on my face and let my lips embrace you
I'll sit on your face and then I'll love you truly
Life can be fine if we both sixty nine
If we sit on our faces
In all sorts of places
And play till we're blown away."
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