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On-line griefers so bad you just wanna punch 'em in the nose!
Published on March 25, 2004 By Draginol In Usenet Discussions

Before there were blogs there was Usenet and before Usenet there were BBSes. And from the very start, there have always been hyper-aggressive people who take out their own personal frustrations on the world at large.

There aren't many of them, but there doesn't have to be. Just the few that are out there are enough to bring grief to other people. Being on-line as much as I am, using my real name, has made me a target of griefers over the years. When I ran BBSes 15 years ago, I occasionally had to deal with them. Sometimes they'd go after me. Sometimes they'd just sit around like a trap door spider waiting to suck the fun out of the lives of those who were unfortunate enough to encounter them.

My friend Pat, T-man (who is the genius in charge of this site's back end), has had similar experiences. One time, a griefer went too far and T-man went to his house and yanked him out the door and made it clear that there'd be real world consequences for that.

We were a lot younger then and obviously one cannot simply go and find these griefers and punch them in the nose. But boy, it's tempting sometimes. On usenet I've had people accuse me of everything from being gay to being a convicted child molester. Griefers get it down to a science knowing which buttons to push. They always seem to have an inordinate amount of time.

At various net gatherings, I've met these griefers. Of course, they weren't "griefing" me (or they wouldn't have come). But of the dozen or so griefers I've met in real life, it's always the same story: They're cowards. And I mean pathetic cowards.

Griefers aren't just detractors. They are people who intentionally go out of their way to try to upset other people. They actually do things, on purpose, just to make someone else unhappy. It is as if they are trying to absorb the happiness of others through delivering grief like some sort of parasite trying to cure their own miserable lives.

In my experience, griefers fit a very particular psychological profile:

First, they are nearly always male. I don't think I've ever met a female griefer in all my years (there's plenty of female net personalities I've encountered I didn't like but none of them intentionally went out of their way to bring pain to others for seemingly no reason).

Secondly, they're nearly always single. Which I guess isn't very surprising.

Third, they come in two major groups. The first group are the teens/young adults who practice petty evil. The kind of people who would kill a small animal for no particular reason. Petty evil. They are fairly common. An under-developed sense of empathy. They're usually physically weak. It's as if they are trying to get back at the world for all the wedgies they get at school. Momma's boys.

The other group though, at the risk of bieng politically incorrect, tend to be 45 to 55 year old white single men living on disability. Yea, I know, pretty specific. Not always are they on disability. The key ingredient are bitter men with an extensive amount of free time on their hands. They are usually quite sad. Almost Golumnesqe in their pitifulness. I usually encountered this kind at User Group meetings when I'd be demonstrating something. They wouldn't say a word to me. But I'd later see them on-line just making the lives of others miserable.

Whereas younger griefers tend to hang out on forums and in on-line games, the latter tend to show up on Usenet or spend their time terrorizing some hapless technical support person. The younger ones are brief and not subtle at all. The older ones write amazingly lengthy, vile, and kook-like diatribes.

The length and detail are how you can distinguish the young griefers from the older ones. It's all about quantity for the young griefer. Older ones focus on quality. Singling out a target and making it their mission in life to try to bring "someone down a notch or two". Writing book-like diatribes about things that have nothing to do with them. That are about unimportant things. Things that cause onlookers to wonder "I wonder what they might have made of themselves if they put their hateful energy into something constructive?" 

Regardless of the age, griefers are cowards. I mean that in the literal sense. You meet them in person and they are quiet, introverted, passive. Easily bullied and dominated by those around them. But secretly, quietly, they build their resentment of those around them into a little black ball of hate and spew it out onto the Internet. If they're going to be miserable, why shouldn't others? Maybe if they can make someone else miserable, it will make themselves not feel so pathetic in comparison.

Those of us who run net communities come to look for the type and put in safe-guards as early as we can. Since griefers are cowards, they quickly flee if they believe their power base is gone. That is why the older ones tend to live in the sanctuary of Usenet and the younger ones simply move from game to game, from fan site to fan site, from on-line community to on-line community. There are always ample targets for them to take out their pain on.

When you write an article, try to imagine that you are talking to that person there. Since I use my real name and can be "found", I have long made it my policy to imagine myself saying this in a crowded pub. If I'm not willing to say it to someone's face, I won't say it. It's advice that I highly recommend to others.

Still...even if I understand them, it is hard not to be tempted to retaliate against one's cowardly on-line tormenter. Because they would never say the vile things they write in person, in public.


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on Mar 29, 2004
HAH! djs spelled totally wrong. I'm more clever than he/she is, ha ha ha ha ha.
on Mar 29, 2004
Very good, Brad. I agree with most of your analysis. Years ago, I would spend a couple hours a day in a Christian room and some of those types would come in and crash it. They were terribly evil people. Sometimes, we would even have to close the room. They were like net terrorists. You may be right about the age because they would be online, sometimes, all day long.

Over the years, i've met in person 3 or 4 people I met on Yahoo. I was amazed how their personalities were the same as in the chat rooms.

I know some of my articles irratate people, but In the church I attend, we discuss many of the same subjects. It is one thing to discuss and debate, but quite something else to go out and cram biblical views down peoples throats. I try to work decently with people even if I have little in common with their views on life. I certainly don't believe in arguing with people all day long about politics or whatever. we all have to earn money and the work always comes first.

Well, thats my 2 cents worth........lol




on Mar 29, 2004
I'm not a griefer? Yay! Now, to see if I am narcasistic..
on Mar 29, 2004
Ah yes.. Christian Chat rooms run rampant with griefers.

~Dan
on Mar 29, 2004
Brad, excellent article. I've been online since the mid 80's, also posting - for the most part - under my own name too. Yes, I've been the target of griefers, though I'd never heard that term before today. It is never a pleasant experience. When you do meet them in person, as I have on a few occasions in user group meetings, they are never as you picture them. (And, why is it that they think you can't figure out how they are?)

Being a woman, smart, and a natural blond to boot, it seems I've had more than my fair share of abuse from men in my life time. (Never you mind how old I am!) From the time I was in my Honors Chemistry class where a male classmate ASSUMED I was there to clean up after him when he made a mess, to the time I was passed over as an Honor graduate from my electronics training course in the Army, it seems to be a common assumption on the part of men that I'm a doormat. Needless to say, I'm NOT!

I guess I've been more fortunate (??) than you, Brad, in that I've run into a few female griefers. Thankfully, they are rarer than male types, but are more vicious in their attacks. (At least based on my experience.) They certainly display all of the other traits of the breed you've mentioned.

This is not only my first visit here, but my first post. (Though I've lurked about on WinCustomize for some time because of my line of work!) I guess I will have to pay more attention to these discussion!

See you online!
on Mar 30, 2004
First off I didn't realize usenet was officially announced dead until I read your article. Don't you think blogs need to be around for ten years or so before you crown them the all of everything...?.....I did think you were talking about flamers or whatever the proper names of them are. I take huge offense at your article though. I am 53 years old and haven't worked for six years because of a disablitly suffered at work and appreciate you classifying me as a griefer.......that was a low blow no matter what kind of a spin you put on it. ........it was still a very wrong generalization and may I say you might run into a lot griefers and or flamers or whatever with the kind of careless comments I just read.

Now you and your legions may throw me into one of your categories of not so nice people but my guess is that if you throw careless comments around like you just did about people with disbilities I can understand how you might end up mixing it up with a lot of people be it usenet.......message boards ......or blogs.......because to tell you the truth although it would hurt me much more than it would hurt you I wouldn't mind dragging you out your door and and pasting you in your cruel mouth..........yes I am bitter about the curve balls that life has thrown at me but its my business and very seldom ever find a reason to tell anyone online that I am disabled.

You will probably tell me somehow that you were not generalizing people just telling the facts...........but like I said done is done and it felt a lot like you were looking for someone to mix it up with yourself........the WWW is the worlds soapbox but I simply hate the fact that people like you sometimes get the taller soapbox to stand on........I believe along with that soapbox should come some responsibility to not say irresponsible things......by the way I agree that the best way to beat these net bullies is to just ignore them and they will soon go find a fight somewhere else.........

Brad
on Mar 30, 2004
"I take huge offense at your article though. I am 53 years old and haven't worked for six years because of a disablitly suffered at work and appreciate you classifying me as a griefer.......that was a low blow no matter what kind of a spin you put on it."

if you're taking offense, then you're already sliding outside his description. He said all humans were mammals, not all mammals were humans, if you take my meaning.

"you and your legions "

Melodramatic...

~Dan
on Nov 05, 2004
Wow.... the spammer actually pulled up something very interesting and relevant to the situation today from the archives this time....
on Nov 05, 2004
Excellent article.
on Jun 22, 2006
2004?

Man, someone has WAY too much time on their hands!  
on Jun 24, 2006
It was nice to re-read it though. IMHO, it was one of Brad's best.

Who was you talking about, TheGuyPc?
on Jun 24, 2006
i think TheGuyPc talks to himself.
on Jun 25, 2006

This thread is another one of those revived by a spammer (spam now removed). So I suppose you could say someone has too much time on their hands and is talking to themselves...

Spammers should have their gonads removed  

on Jun 25, 2006
i think TheGuyPc talks to himself.


No, it's my imaginary friend...actually. His name is thump. Quite a guy if you're not a Troll.

I was referring to WHOEVER revived the thread. I assume they know who they are.

PC
on Jun 25, 2006
Spammers should have their gonads removed


I always thought Spammers = Gonads.
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