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On-line griefers so bad you just wanna punch 'em in the nose!
Published on March 25, 2004 By Draginol In Usenet Discussions

Before there were blogs there was Usenet and before Usenet there were BBSes. And from the very start, there have always been hyper-aggressive people who take out their own personal frustrations on the world at large.

There aren't many of them, but there doesn't have to be. Just the few that are out there are enough to bring grief to other people. Being on-line as much as I am, using my real name, has made me a target of griefers over the years. When I ran BBSes 15 years ago, I occasionally had to deal with them. Sometimes they'd go after me. Sometimes they'd just sit around like a trap door spider waiting to suck the fun out of the lives of those who were unfortunate enough to encounter them.

My friend Pat, T-man (who is the genius in charge of this site's back end), has had similar experiences. One time, a griefer went too far and T-man went to his house and yanked him out the door and made it clear that there'd be real world consequences for that.

We were a lot younger then and obviously one cannot simply go and find these griefers and punch them in the nose. But boy, it's tempting sometimes. On usenet I've had people accuse me of everything from being gay to being a convicted child molester. Griefers get it down to a science knowing which buttons to push. They always seem to have an inordinate amount of time.

At various net gatherings, I've met these griefers. Of course, they weren't "griefing" me (or they wouldn't have come). But of the dozen or so griefers I've met in real life, it's always the same story: They're cowards. And I mean pathetic cowards.

Griefers aren't just detractors. They are people who intentionally go out of their way to try to upset other people. They actually do things, on purpose, just to make someone else unhappy. It is as if they are trying to absorb the happiness of others through delivering grief like some sort of parasite trying to cure their own miserable lives.

In my experience, griefers fit a very particular psychological profile:

First, they are nearly always male. I don't think I've ever met a female griefer in all my years (there's plenty of female net personalities I've encountered I didn't like but none of them intentionally went out of their way to bring pain to others for seemingly no reason).

Secondly, they're nearly always single. Which I guess isn't very surprising.

Third, they come in two major groups. The first group are the teens/young adults who practice petty evil. The kind of people who would kill a small animal for no particular reason. Petty evil. They are fairly common. An under-developed sense of empathy. They're usually physically weak. It's as if they are trying to get back at the world for all the wedgies they get at school. Momma's boys.

The other group though, at the risk of bieng politically incorrect, tend to be 45 to 55 year old white single men living on disability. Yea, I know, pretty specific. Not always are they on disability. The key ingredient are bitter men with an extensive amount of free time on their hands. They are usually quite sad. Almost Golumnesqe in their pitifulness. I usually encountered this kind at User Group meetings when I'd be demonstrating something. They wouldn't say a word to me. But I'd later see them on-line just making the lives of others miserable.

Whereas younger griefers tend to hang out on forums and in on-line games, the latter tend to show up on Usenet or spend their time terrorizing some hapless technical support person. The younger ones are brief and not subtle at all. The older ones write amazingly lengthy, vile, and kook-like diatribes.

The length and detail are how you can distinguish the young griefers from the older ones. It's all about quantity for the young griefer. Older ones focus on quality. Singling out a target and making it their mission in life to try to bring "someone down a notch or two". Writing book-like diatribes about things that have nothing to do with them. That are about unimportant things. Things that cause onlookers to wonder "I wonder what they might have made of themselves if they put their hateful energy into something constructive?" 

Regardless of the age, griefers are cowards. I mean that in the literal sense. You meet them in person and they are quiet, introverted, passive. Easily bullied and dominated by those around them. But secretly, quietly, they build their resentment of those around them into a little black ball of hate and spew it out onto the Internet. If they're going to be miserable, why shouldn't others? Maybe if they can make someone else miserable, it will make themselves not feel so pathetic in comparison.

Those of us who run net communities come to look for the type and put in safe-guards as early as we can. Since griefers are cowards, they quickly flee if they believe their power base is gone. That is why the older ones tend to live in the sanctuary of Usenet and the younger ones simply move from game to game, from fan site to fan site, from on-line community to on-line community. There are always ample targets for them to take out their pain on.

When you write an article, try to imagine that you are talking to that person there. Since I use my real name and can be "found", I have long made it my policy to imagine myself saying this in a crowded pub. If I'm not willing to say it to someone's face, I won't say it. It's advice that I highly recommend to others.

Still...even if I understand them, it is hard not to be tempted to retaliate against one's cowardly on-line tormenter. Because they would never say the vile things they write in person, in public.


Comments (Page 4)
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on Jun 25, 2006
You need to learn to laugh at them and take them for what they are..??

Never sweat the small stuff, it tends to drag you to a level that is just that..*Small Stuff*

Learn To Laugh..   As you cruise the sites, you'll actually find yourself laughing alot.. LOL!!

I often fall off my chair..
on Sep 20, 2006
knotting idling embodiments deceitfully rotates Barstow imperious divans causer


Seems another twerp seeks gonad removal...and isn't it fortunate Brad's survielance, detection software has located the offending party.....

BTW, I have a butter knife that'll do the job.
on Sep 20, 2006
Jeezee - I fall for this all the time - I read the whole thing then find its a 2 year old post.

on Sep 21, 2006
Jeezee - I fall for this all the time - I read the whole thing then find its a 2 year old post.


You're not the only one, Fairyy~ .....quite a few have been caught by these older thread revivals, only to discover some lowly piece of shite has intruded where they're neither wanted or needed, certainly never welcomed.

Quite frankly, Fuzzy's idea, turning them into soprano's is the way to go....been wanting to try out my butter knife surgical skills for a while now.

What's really annoying is that it's always Brad's threads which get targetted, so it's always a major disappointment to discover it is not he who had added to it, or someone of intelligence with a reasoned contribution, but an imbecile whose 'too much time on his hands' would better be served defusing roadside bombs in Iraq or removing toxic waste from industrial zones to his basement storage area.
on Sep 21, 2006
Actually, we can get this guy's IP address, and his home address from that. I think I'll drop by for a spot of tiffin sometime...
on Sep 21, 2006
Jeezee - I fall for this all the time - I read the whole thing then find its a 2 year old post.


yes I did the same
on Sep 21, 2006
Gee.....I talk to myself all the time....but I try not to listen

hehehe

I didn't know that a 'griefer' was a 'cheater' but I do understand how it could be seen that way......

My interpretation of a griefer would be somebody that's seen or experience way too much abuse and just wants to be at peace with the world

that would be me

but.....

Like anybody....I do have certain 'mooods' (I guess you could call them that....I tend to call them 'involuntary possessions'....in which I can regress into a major pain in the butt attack.....

which means to the 'other' me, like is a real adventure trying to fix or clean up after such an 'episode'

I don't pretend you're gonna understand.....lmao......heck I don't understand.....

but it sure can cause some real 'grief' for sure for sure

anyway.......

doi de doi

lol

footsie    
on Sep 21, 2006
Gee.....I talk to myself all the time....but I try not to listen


Dont worry until you start arguing with yourself. And losing!
on Sep 21, 2006
Yeah. So many people don't know administrators can trace almost all way to home in most cases.

Most cases it's all way to their ISP, then just a quick phone call to find out more details.
on Sep 22, 2006
Actually, we can get this guy's IP address, and his home address from that. I think I'll drop by for a spot of tiffin sometime...


Would you like to borrow my butter knife for the soprano surgery? I've heard gonads can be a bit on the tough side, and maybe my butter knife's a bit blunt, but it was forged in Sheffield so I'm sure it'll be up to the job.

Oh, and I'll send some surgical gloves as well...to ensure your safety from anything transmittable. Given the apparent free time this twit has on his hands to dabble in peculiar behaviours, it's probably in your better interests to wear three pairs, to be sure, to be sure.
on Sep 22, 2006
Jeezee - I fall for this all the time - I read the whole thing then find its a 2 year old post.

oh, man...got me too.

soprano surgery

Around here we do a lot of calves-into-steers maintenance on ranches. We use a
"lastrator", like reverse pliers, to put heavy-duty rubber bands on. Takes 7 seconds and they just fall right off in a few days. No muss. No fuss.
[but I haven't done that in...over two years, anyway   ]

this is a skinning site, right?
on Sep 22, 2006

so it's always a major disappointment to discover it is not he who had added to it, or someone of intelligence with a reasoned contribution,

Um.....er.....

Kinda implies Brad's not included with the 'someone[s] of intelligence'.....

 

You can run....but you'll only die tired....  

on Sep 22, 2006
Dont worry until you start arguing with yourself. And losing!


I do that all the time doc! hehehe
on Sep 23, 2006
Kinda implies Brad's not included with the 'someone[s] of intelligence'.....


Okay, so I missed the 'else' in: "or someone of intelligence with a reasoned contribution." Sorry about that, my apologies for the inadvertant slip of my typing finger

Geez, it's a bugger when my one and only typing finger works faster than my brain.

You can run....but you'll only die tired....


Run? Me run? You've gotta be kidding! Running for me these days would be like trying to row a barbed wire canoe up Niagara Falls using a crowbar for a paddle. No thanks, I'll settle for the pain and sufferance it takes just to walk.

Tho if I get any rounder, rolling might be the easier option.

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