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New movie to serve as a barometer of kooky left wing interest
Published on June 22, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

Fahrenheit 9/11's success or failure will provide a good measure of the political temperature of the United States. In my mind, Michael Moore is a villain. An unscrupulous opportunist who brings new meaning the to the phrase "the end justifies the means".  The end, of course, being the ouster of George W. Bush.  The means, in his own small petty way, is his new smear movie, Fahrenheit 9/11.

This review at Slate takes the movie apart bit by bit. I highly recommend reading it. If his propaganda piece on gun violence in America (Bowling for Columbine) was harmless, this propaganda substance is not. The central premise behind Bowling for Columbine was that "white America" has had a long obsession with guns and gun violence (largely due to being afraid of stuff). Forget that gun violence of "white America" is essentially the same as it is in peace-loving Canada, that doesn't fit into Moore's agenda. 

This time around, Moore's premise is that the Bush family is enthralled to the Saudis in various nefarious ways (as well to the Bin Laden family). Forget that the premise is absurd to begin with. What's really amazing is that Moore actually expects people to ignore the contradictions with these concepts.  After all, how can Bush be in the pocket of Saudi interests and be going directly against Saudi wishes by going into Iraq?

But Moore, far from being the "common man", seems to believe that the common man is a fool. A dupe. A chump. Even a year after 9/11, Moore wasn't convinced that Al Qaeda (or Bin Laden) was behind the WTC attack. And yet somehow he became convinced that we should have done more in Afghanistan? Good grief. Unfortunately, serious leaders can't wait years to take decisive action.

As Christopher Hitchen writes:

In late 2002, almost a year after the al-Qaida assault on American society, I had an onstage debate with Michael Moore at the Telluride Film Festival. In the course of this exchange, he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way. The intervention in Afghanistan, he maintained, had been at least to that extent unjustified. Something—I cannot guess what, since we knew as much then as we do now—has since apparently persuaded Moore that Osama Bin Laden is as guilty as hell. Indeed, Osama is suddenly so guilty and so all-powerful that any other discussion of any other topic is a dangerous "distraction" from the fight against him. I believe that I understand the convenience of this late conversion.

But it's not just there that Moore wants to have it both ways with history. Bush, regularly portrayed as someone anxious to go to war is also shown as being stunned into stupidity and inaction at the news of the WTC attack. Well which is it? Either he's an empty headed moron robot or he's a warmongering neoconservative looking to settle dad's scores.  How about this alternative explanation: Like millions of normal Americans, the attack on the WTC left him stunned and for several minutes he had to contemplate what to do next.  I consider myself pretty sharp but I remember just watching slack-jawed on TV when that second plane struck the World trade center. I was dumfounded. And I was dumfounded for more than 7 minutes.

Most disgusting is Moore's sympathy to Saddam.  According to Moore, Saddam's Iraq was no threat to any American. Really? Is this the same Saddam who tried to have Bush Sr. assassinated?  The same Iraq that regularly fired on US planes patrolling the no-fly zone? Is Moore so out of touch with the "average American" that he can't see how many of us considered Saddam a long term threat that could no longer be tolerated in a post-9/11 world?

Moore, author of "Stupid White Men" can't help but take morbid stabs at the assumed cowardice of white people (perhaps he projects too much of his own self?). In an interview, he opines that if the passengers of those flights on 9/11 had had mostly black people, they would have fought back. What a racist, gratuitous slam on the victims of 9/11.

Hitchen writes:

In a recent interview, he yelled that if the hijacked civilians of 9/11 had been black, they would have fought back, unlike the stupid and presumably cowardly white men and women (and children). Never mind for now how many black passengers were on those planes—we happen to know what Moore does not care to mention: that Todd Beamer and a few of his co-passengers, shouting "Let's roll," rammed the hijackers with a trolley, fought them tooth and nail, and helped bring down a United Airlines plane, in Pennsylvania, that was speeding toward either the White House or the Capitol. There are no words for real, impromptu bravery like that, which helped save our republic from worse than actually befell

But if that doesn't take the cake for disgusting attitudes, Moore has apparently made public his intent to aggressively go after his critics, legally if necessary. Ah, it is important to observe his right to smear his enemies (real and imagined) with impunity but any criticism returned needs to be cut off at the knees eh?  More and more, Moore makes himself the poster child of the left-wing of American culture. Dishonest, disingenuous, cynical, elitist, and hypocritical. 

Speaking as a fellow-Michigander who actually did grow up in a blue-collar area (down river eastern Michigan), I find Moore's elitism disgusting particularly as he tries to portray himself as just a "joe American".

If his movie is a box office hit, it will send a chilling signal that the the American culture has an appetite for petty vindictive overtly left-wing propaganda.  I fear that like his last Oscar-winning drek, that some people will walk out of the theater having bought into the manipulated "facts". I fear a repeat of the same ill-informed thinking of "Agree with him or not, his movie gives you a lot to think about".  Because in reality, they really don't give you much to "think about". Quite the opposite. These are films that are designed to indoctrinate.


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on Jul 21, 2004
"It speaks volumes of the moral fiber of those who are certain that the US or at least Bush is the center of all evil and yet their response is to write some rant on a website. "

Well that is the forum, FrogBoy. I also swim at swimming pools and sleep in bed. I believe its called a context.

"It isn't important enough to get up off your nihilistic little ass and do anything about it?"

Perhaps because the solution is not that we all get up and fight. But that the US go Home! And stay home."

Are you a veteran BakerStreet?

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on Jul 21, 2004
If Bush = Hitler like the left is saying, then why aren't they doing something about it besides, at most, demonstrating? Why aren't the Europeans marshalling troops to threaten the US with? Or how about at least economic sanctions? They're not doing anything at all.


Anyone remember what Hitler did to his political enemies? I wouldn't stand against Hitler. But that's beside the point. Bush is not Hitler, so there is no need to marshal troops and march on the Capitol. In any case such a move would be futile. If you think strategically, the best way to overthrow the militarily superior enemy is to never ever engage it in combat. Snipe its leaders, corrupt and subvert its supporters, spread fear and dissent in the ranks of its soldiers and covertly or openly support the enemies political foes. Sound familiar, FrogBoy?
on Jul 21, 2004
If Bush = Hitler like the left is saying, then why aren't they doing something about it besides, at most, demonstrating?

More telling is why are they able to say the things they say without waking up in some camp?
on Jul 21, 2004
Like Brad says, MonsterMash, you don't have to fight. Why not economic sanctions? Why not a trade embargo? Cut off diplomatic relations? Hell, I went back over the UN resolutions and I couldn't even find one condemning the US invasion. Was there one? All I could find was a "Joint statement by France, Russia and Germany in opposition to a UN resolution authorizing force".

Is that the response of a world that is "outraged" and full of hate? Hell no, that is the response of a world that is mildly annoyed. You folks stream onto the internet in hoards preaching the fall of the western empire and make the US out to be the Fourth Reich, but frankly it isn't very convincing.

I think it gives you something to talk about, makes you feel all intellectual and "progressive", and you sleep as well as anyone else.

on Jul 22, 2004
I recently had a letter to the editor published in which I criticised Michael Moore, but I must say that your post here is no less contradictory, harmful and distortive than you claim Fahrenhyeit 9/11 to be (I say "claim" because I haven't seen it yet and I don't wish to pre-judge the piece, because while I could see that B4C was exaggerating things, I was generally impressed with the piece).
on Jul 22, 2004
BakerStreet, how exactly is it that you expect Australians who oppose the war to get up and prevent a government with nuclear power from invading Iraq? My own government, which I voted against, supports this slaughter. On my own, or even with the rest of us pinko lefty champagne commies, I can’t see us marching into Iraq with guns and ammo and blasting the US army away. And I’m sure you would be the first to call us hypocritical if we did start getting into wars anyway. Nice win win situation for you on that argument. Now who has it both ways?

And here’s one good reason not to get violent about it. “Violent breeds one thing: More Violence”.

Monstermash may be inflammatory but her/his argument has a lot of factual basis. A lot of the rest of the world does resent the US and its infiltration of its culture and its violence (in fact if you RESEARCHED it, you would find that many people believe this is the reason why the WTC was attacked. Not because you were free. Because you force yourselves on the rest of the world in a violent and oppressive way that we don't appreciate). Not everything America does is evil. Mind you, I think I could well cope without the internet and I know people who lived most of their lives without comnputers and guess what, they’re OK! But guess what, not everyone wants to live like you! I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. I know there are good things about your country, but that doesn't give you the right to trample on everyone else's philosophies and cultures. America has truly become the British Empire of our times. Remember how the British also used to claim they were only separating indigenous children from their parents for their own good. These children would benefit from becoming civilised into an Anglo society. That was the claim by the Brits then, and it's remarkably similar to the claim by the Yanks now.

I must say that while I’m against calling people here dimwitted, the post that defended that fact that you hadn’t seen the bloody movie and yet you still then launched into a tyrade aginst it to be more dim-witted than my favourite Bush comment: “It will take some time to restore chaos” (and are you going to tell me that’s one of those made up ones? because I saw it come out of his mouth. Admittedly it’s probably just a Freudian slip but it was still funny.).

Draginol I notice the moment that Patrucio listed a good solid argument backed up by a lot of facts that you suddenly went silent on the debate with her/him. Just a meek little personal attack, and then moving right along. Interesting.
on Jul 22, 2004

LeftWing:

If country X opposes the US actions as strongly as you claim, they don't have to attack the US.  How about economic sanctions? How about cutting off diplomatic ties?

You can't have it both ways.  If you or someone else believes the US is the center of evil, equivalent to a Nazi 4th Reich or some of the other hysterical comparisons I've seen, then you have a duty to try to push your country to DO SOMETHING.

The United States is, after all, a democracy (representative republic for you anal retentives out there).  It wouldn't even take that much show of resolve by other countries GOVERNMENTS to convince Americans that the world was truly against US actions.  But without such demonstrations of resolve, people like me will assume that this "anti-American" rhetoric is just more of the same crap we've seen for the last half century. I.e. pointless bitching.

on Jul 22, 2004
Just to clarify, I am Left Wing Shock J and Rom Rogers but now that I have my own blog, I have a username.
As I already said, my Government supports the US actions and has never criticised the Coalition of the Willing because supposedly Australia is one of the key partners. Our Opposition is not as supportive but it is not very critical either. I believe the majority of our people are opposed to our part in the War but we can't exactly do much more than protest, as we have been in mass numbers.
I don't believe the US is equivalent to the 4th Reich, however I stand by my claim that it is equivalent to the British Empire.
on Jul 22, 2004
I still like to hear whether or not BakerStreet is a veteran? If so from what conflict?

And for the record for the purposes of this forum, im neither a "He" nor a "She", but simply an "It".
on Aug 05, 2004
I am assume of you. This country is being turned into a authoritarian rule and you claimed that Michael Moore's movie is a smear campaign. Get a life and think about your children too.
on Aug 05, 2004
I am ashame of you. This country is being turned into an authoritarian rule and you claimed that Michael Moore's movie is a smear campaign. Get a life and think about your children too.
on Aug 05, 2004
Moore's Movie is freedom of speech. Read the consitution. I agree with Cheng Hsieh about Bush screwing the young.

Go to www.Bushin30seconds.com
on Aug 05, 2004
" Moore's Movie is freedom of speech. Read the consitution. "


Wow, so when Liberals purposefully lie and mislead people it is okay, but when Republicans make a mistake it is anathema.

Moore is the darling of Castro and Hamas. 'nuff said.

on Aug 05, 2004

Gee, I don't recall suggesting that Moore's movie be banned.  Apparently thinking Moore's movie is nonsense is equivalent to having incorrect opinions which makes me supportive of "Authoritarian" government.

Speaking of authoritarian government, Kerry supports FULL implementation of 9/11 commission findings.  That means beefing up the Patriot act and having an Intelligence czar cabinet position in the white house.  So if someone thinks Bush is authoritarian, then Kerry must scare them even worse. Oh wait...no, it's just mindless hyperbole by the left. They don't really mean or even understand what they say.

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