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New movie to serve as a barometer of kooky left wing interest
Published on June 22, 2004 By Draginol In Politics

Fahrenheit 9/11's success or failure will provide a good measure of the political temperature of the United States. In my mind, Michael Moore is a villain. An unscrupulous opportunist who brings new meaning the to the phrase "the end justifies the means".  The end, of course, being the ouster of George W. Bush.  The means, in his own small petty way, is his new smear movie, Fahrenheit 9/11.

This review at Slate takes the movie apart bit by bit. I highly recommend reading it. If his propaganda piece on gun violence in America (Bowling for Columbine) was harmless, this propaganda substance is not. The central premise behind Bowling for Columbine was that "white America" has had a long obsession with guns and gun violence (largely due to being afraid of stuff). Forget that gun violence of "white America" is essentially the same as it is in peace-loving Canada, that doesn't fit into Moore's agenda. 

This time around, Moore's premise is that the Bush family is enthralled to the Saudis in various nefarious ways (as well to the Bin Laden family). Forget that the premise is absurd to begin with. What's really amazing is that Moore actually expects people to ignore the contradictions with these concepts.  After all, how can Bush be in the pocket of Saudi interests and be going directly against Saudi wishes by going into Iraq?

But Moore, far from being the "common man", seems to believe that the common man is a fool. A dupe. A chump. Even a year after 9/11, Moore wasn't convinced that Al Qaeda (or Bin Laden) was behind the WTC attack. And yet somehow he became convinced that we should have done more in Afghanistan? Good grief. Unfortunately, serious leaders can't wait years to take decisive action.

As Christopher Hitchen writes:

In late 2002, almost a year after the al-Qaida assault on American society, I had an onstage debate with Michael Moore at the Telluride Film Festival. In the course of this exchange, he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way. The intervention in Afghanistan, he maintained, had been at least to that extent unjustified. Something—I cannot guess what, since we knew as much then as we do now—has since apparently persuaded Moore that Osama Bin Laden is as guilty as hell. Indeed, Osama is suddenly so guilty and so all-powerful that any other discussion of any other topic is a dangerous "distraction" from the fight against him. I believe that I understand the convenience of this late conversion.

But it's not just there that Moore wants to have it both ways with history. Bush, regularly portrayed as someone anxious to go to war is also shown as being stunned into stupidity and inaction at the news of the WTC attack. Well which is it? Either he's an empty headed moron robot or he's a warmongering neoconservative looking to settle dad's scores.  How about this alternative explanation: Like millions of normal Americans, the attack on the WTC left him stunned and for several minutes he had to contemplate what to do next.  I consider myself pretty sharp but I remember just watching slack-jawed on TV when that second plane struck the World trade center. I was dumfounded. And I was dumfounded for more than 7 minutes.

Most disgusting is Moore's sympathy to Saddam.  According to Moore, Saddam's Iraq was no threat to any American. Really? Is this the same Saddam who tried to have Bush Sr. assassinated?  The same Iraq that regularly fired on US planes patrolling the no-fly zone? Is Moore so out of touch with the "average American" that he can't see how many of us considered Saddam a long term threat that could no longer be tolerated in a post-9/11 world?

Moore, author of "Stupid White Men" can't help but take morbid stabs at the assumed cowardice of white people (perhaps he projects too much of his own self?). In an interview, he opines that if the passengers of those flights on 9/11 had had mostly black people, they would have fought back. What a racist, gratuitous slam on the victims of 9/11.

Hitchen writes:

In a recent interview, he yelled that if the hijacked civilians of 9/11 had been black, they would have fought back, unlike the stupid and presumably cowardly white men and women (and children). Never mind for now how many black passengers were on those planes—we happen to know what Moore does not care to mention: that Todd Beamer and a few of his co-passengers, shouting "Let's roll," rammed the hijackers with a trolley, fought them tooth and nail, and helped bring down a United Airlines plane, in Pennsylvania, that was speeding toward either the White House or the Capitol. There are no words for real, impromptu bravery like that, which helped save our republic from worse than actually befell

But if that doesn't take the cake for disgusting attitudes, Moore has apparently made public his intent to aggressively go after his critics, legally if necessary. Ah, it is important to observe his right to smear his enemies (real and imagined) with impunity but any criticism returned needs to be cut off at the knees eh?  More and more, Moore makes himself the poster child of the left-wing of American culture. Dishonest, disingenuous, cynical, elitist, and hypocritical. 

Speaking as a fellow-Michigander who actually did grow up in a blue-collar area (down river eastern Michigan), I find Moore's elitism disgusting particularly as he tries to portray himself as just a "joe American".

If his movie is a box office hit, it will send a chilling signal that the the American culture has an appetite for petty vindictive overtly left-wing propaganda.  I fear that like his last Oscar-winning drek, that some people will walk out of the theater having bought into the manipulated "facts". I fear a repeat of the same ill-informed thinking of "Agree with him or not, his movie gives you a lot to think about".  Because in reality, they really don't give you much to "think about". Quite the opposite. These are films that are designed to indoctrinate.


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on Jun 22, 2004
Draginol:
Just a question: Have you seen this movie already? I mean, it's all well and good if your opinion is based on what you actually saw, but every movie gets good and bad reviews. I believe that Fahrenheit 911 has 27 out of 33 positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes or are all of those reviewers part of the indoctrination plan?
on Jun 22, 2004
As I said in the other article, Christopher Hitchens took Mother Teresa and made her look like Satan. He's definately a very skilled writer, but he tends to go a bit overboard with his vitriol and contempt. Nor does he take the movie apart bit by bit. Like Moore's oponents on the right, he picks and chooses instances that suit the needs of his article, and arives at the most cynical conclusions about Moore's character and intent. To put it simply, he's never one to give the subjects of his criticism a fair playing field or consider points that weigh in his favor. Moore's film may be cheap and lightweight, but it's unfair of the original poster to call it 'indoctrination', just as its unfair of Hitchens to hold Moore to the same standards of rational policy judgement by which we would (hopefully) hold our president. Ultimately I think most leftists are going to go see it for precisely the same reason that millions of Americans saw 'The Passion of Christ' (an equally vile and contemptuous film by a man Hitchins not so convincingly brands as 'a fascist'): To witness a crucifixion. So be it in the dark world of 21st century American politics. Nobody really cares about the truth or the people who won't have an opportunity to know it (and this is especially true of people from Texas named Bush and DeLay).
on Jun 22, 2004
CrispE raises a good point. The movie doesn't open widely until the 25th But if you want a sample, you can see the trailer at:

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

And here is Michael Moore's take on the efforts to stop the movie from being shown: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php

I don't believe that censorship is appropriate. However, I do believe that a company has the right to make a business decision about what they will or will not distribute.

Having said that, I am not a Michael Moore fan. While I think his early works were good examples of satire (Roger and Me in particular) I think that a lot of his recent works display a pompous self-loathing. Stupid White Men in particular. You want to see pomposity? Here is the description of Bowling For Columbine from Michael Moore's web site: "This is not a film about gun control. It is a film about the fearful heart and soul of the United States, and the 280 million Americans lucky enough to have the right to a constitutionally protected Uzi." Or this from Stupid White Men: "Michael Moore is out to cure the world of a plague of stupid white men." Michael Moore clearly thinks that he is smarter than me, knows more than I do. America is, after all, a nation of sheep with Michael as our self-proclaimed shepard. But please note that he continues to cash those checks that come, in large part, from stupid white men buying his books and seeing his movies.

My son was shown Bowling For Columbine in school, something that I would object to if the movie was placed in context. It is not factual, it contained many exaggerations or down-right lies. That is okay for a satire, if presented as such. Yet there was no preface to the movie explaining that. People read his works or see his movies and accept them as accurate. Not Michael Moore's fault, necessarily, but not something that he goes out of his way to correct either. In my opinion, he goes out of his way to present as factual things that he knows not to be true. That is not satire, that is lying.

The other thing to be aware of is that people outside America think that Michael Moore is presenting a fair slice of American life, that what Michael Moore shows is how things really are. In a recent conversation with an Israeli software developer, I mentioned that I live in Michigan. He replied "Oh, where Michael Moore is from. We watch all his movies." I shuddered.

In the end, America is about freedom of choice. Michael is free to make his movies and I am free to object to them.
on Jun 22, 2004
Larry,
I would agree with you on much of what you wrote. The only thing I would question is about showing this or other movies that deal with social issues to students. If it is done in the context of a social studies class I think it provides a good basis for discussion. One of the things I hear often is that students don't think enough (much of the voting issue over whether we should allow kids who are uninformed the right to vote, for example). High school kids certainly are capable of forming their own opinions and what our society needs is more discussion about topics, not less.
on Jun 22, 2004
Draginol,

I don't think Moore pretends to be anything other than a propagandist. I would not draw any conclusions from this movie's box office. If you are a left-leaning political activist you will almost certainly go to this film; inasmuch as that is maybe 5% of the population this movie will be probably do $100 million box office easily, at $10/ticket. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. In my view, millions more will see Michael Moore on doing interviews on television than watch his movie, and the more non-ideological people listen to his bombast the more it helps Bush. For every person without a solid ideological framework who is persuaded by Moore and votes against Bush in November there may be two people who, seeing Moore bellowing and smirking on television, will come to the conclusion that the Moores of the world must be stopped. Just imagine Kerry winning this thing and Moore taking ex post facto credit for having swung the election and you will see what I mean.

For my money this election will be surprising in that it won't be close this time. Either Kerry or Bush will win by a clear margin and probably up to ten states on the electoral map with flip to different colors from last time. Three big unknowns: does the economy improve or worsen, does Iraq improve or worsen, and are there any terrorist acts on U.S. soil prior to the election. If all three break in Bush's direction he'll win going away, I think, no matter what Kerry does. If all three go the other way Bush is a goner. If the picture is mixed it still won't be as close as 2000: Nader won't be a factor this time.

Bottom line, don't trouble yourself. Let Moore have his day. It's a free country; the people pick their own political poison. In the end, we will get the government we collectively deserve.
on Jun 22, 2004
Brad,

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ isn't a review... it's just nonchalent personal disagreements with the movie...

BAM!!!
on Jun 22, 2004
bam, indeed, muggaz. the most appropriate bam yet.

i have to put the disclaimer that i like michael moore and love what he's trying to do. but with that said i try to have an open mind to the other side of issues he brings up. some of the info from moore's upcoming movie should be known: moore has made a point of having all the facts in his film checked and double-checked. he knows his movie will be torn apart so he really has to do his homework. but what you need to remember is his movie is an Op-Ed piece of sorts. he takes facts as a basis and the movie is his conclusions. so if you dont like his conclusions, thats fine, but if you try to say his facts arent straight i would love for you to actually prove that point.

and with bowling for columbine, moore did not make anything up. he did the same as he is doing with this new movie, he's taking facts and drawing conclusions.

and with all that said i like to think of moore as a characature of the left. and we need that, because we have that for the right over and over. hannity, colmes, bush, o'reilly, etc. so let moore and nader have their pinko-leftist commie fun.

i like how moore, himself put it, (not an exact quote) -- 'With this movie I may be preaching to the choir, but sometimes the choir needs to know they have been singing the right song.' it was something like that.



good times.
on Jun 22, 2004
I offer up, for consideration in your grey matter, several reviews from well known sources ...

Here are a couple of other less lengthy movie reviews, from well-known sources:

Roger Ebert Reviews F911 Link
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Time Magazine reviews F911 Link
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BBC reviews F911 Link
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They are far more nuetral than the Slate review ...

on Jun 23, 2004
and with bowling for columbine, moore did not make anything up. he did the same as he is doing with this new movie, he's taking facts and drawing conclusions.


Moore is a master of using the medium of film to mislead people. Bowling for Columbine didn't say explicitly that you could walk into a bank, sign up for a checking account, and walk out with a free gun. However, that is exactly what the movie shows Moore doing. What he fails to mention is that he had to make arrangements to receive the gun months ahead of time, including a background check.

So yeah, you can bleat out that "There weren't any factual errors in that sequence" but that doesn't excuse Moore's dishonest portrayal.
on Jun 23, 2004
They are far more nuetral


"I agree with the film. Moore represents my political position." -- Roger Ebert. (http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/mp3/040607_fahrenheit911.mp3)
on Jun 23, 2004

I'm getting ready to go out on vacation but wanted to answer a few questions:

1) No, I haven't seen the movie yet. I was very careful to comment ONLY on the parts of the movie I had seen in various interviews and transcripts and trailers (mostly interviews with Michael Moore such as the one on Sunday on ABC).

2) My opinions are not derived based on things said on Slate but instead by the things Michael Moore himself has said in various interviews.

3) One can learn a lot about the content of a movie without seeing it at a theater. I can tell you pretty much the plot of Star War, Episode 3 to pretty good detail without even having seen a trailer. If you follow these things you can get a pretty good picture.

4) Given how inaccurate Bowling for Columbine and how flawed its premise was and yet how so many people swallowed its assumptions hook line and sinker I feel nothign but contempt for the intellectual depth of anyone who actually believes what's in his movies. Basically, to me, a Michael Moore fan might as well wear a button that says "I'm a gullible fool." 

on Jun 23, 2004
They are far more neutral "I agree with the film. Moore represents my political position." -- Roger Ebert.


I should have used the word vitorolic as I did in a different post, rather than neutral. Everyone has a point of view ...
on Jun 23, 2004
can someone delete my double post please

thanks
on Jun 23, 2004
i want to know where people get the information that bowling for columbine has lies in it. or even gross misleading like the bank scene. i would love to read more on it.
on Jun 24, 2004
Moore himself has debunked all those stories that claim that what he showed in Bowling for Columbine wasn't shown as it really happened.
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