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Published on November 4, 2008 By Draginol In Democrat

As I get ready to simmer down for the evening for a hectic day tomorrow, it appears Obama has it in the bag. They've just called Ohio for Obama which means it's over.  Congratulations to Obama on his historic victory.  It will be interesting to see how things progress from here.


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on Nov 06, 2008

If you need to see the actual stats please go to the national taxpayers union(a nice conservative site) or tax foundation.  This will show you the info you need.  For whatever reason Mozilla wont let me cut and paste here which kinda sucks.

on Nov 06, 2008

Well said in deed, you can thank the Democrats for the crap we are in today, not that they will admit it. But let me tell you something, our history may be bad, but we all know there are worse ones around the globe. We did not become the most powerful country because we were stupid. And I'll tell you more, we may be donw right now, but don't count us out just yet. We will get out of this one just like we did before and we will be stronger just like we have done before whether Obama or McCain was in the White House.

 

I think you have misunderstood me.  I mean the people on this forum have bad history interms of accuracy.  And no we dont have democrats to thank for this. As I pointed out in my post, we have bad economic times when our government doesnt regulate and gives more money to the rich on the idea that they will create jobs.  We then hope that big business will regulate them selves.  It just doesnt happen.  Its like being on a school board at a catholic school and having your kids go to the school.  None of those board memebers vote for any increase of any significance on themselves.  Even though the catholic church on average pays for over 1/2 of their childrens education.  The schools are subsidized by the church collections. Otherwise they wouldnt exsist.  Its the same premise the rich wont regulate themselves and thus they wont create these good jobs, and thus our economy goes in the crapper, and with a war going on right now that furthers it.  Wars are the worst thing for an economy.

on Nov 06, 2008

In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system.

on Nov 06, 2008

Hey Guy, I know I can count on you for it, but do you have any proof of this?

On what?  The history of tax rates since the 16th amendment? (Indeed not the first income tax, but the first legal one).

on Nov 06, 2008

No sorry drguy this is fact read it at the IRS if need be or tons of other sites that will give you the tax rate history of the US. Its all factual numbers there is no debate. Your only correct statement is that the country wasnt founded 91 years ago. However the modern tax system as we know it today was founded in the early 1900's.

Better re-read my response.  You are still wrong.  The modern tax system was founded with the 16th amendment.  The initial rate was very low (like 1% on anything over $1000 of income - which was a lot in those days).  It quickly grew.  Now, would you like a history of the rates?  I will provide them, but you know I am right.  For the reason your answer is deprived of any actual rebuttal, just a squirming hoping for a mistake you can pounce on. 

on Nov 06, 2008

Better re-read my response. You are still wrong. The modern tax system was founded with the 16th amendment. The initial rate was very low (like 1% on anything over $1000 of income - which was a lot in those days). It quickly grew. Now, would you like a history of the rates? I will provide them, but you know I am right. For the reason your answer is deprived of any actual rebuttal, just a squirming hoping for a mistake you can pounce on.

Negative I am correct.  MODERN tax rates those since 1913 are as I have said they are.  My points stick, its just the fact that before all three of the crisis' I listed(which all were very significant bad economic times) came after republican had been in power for 12, 12, and 8 years.  Those crisis were republicans fault period because of their philosiphy which they still cling to today.  Dont tell me oh it was the previous democrats or some other baloney.

on Nov 06, 2008

The one thing that all the "history buffs" talking about how horribly high taxes are keep missing is the fact that in 1916 our country didn't have the infrastructure that we have built since then. We wouldn't even be able to maintain interstate highways adequately with a flat tax rate of 1% on purchases over $1000.00, let alone our bloated military budget.

In 1916 little kids were working in factories all over the USA and not going to school. By instituting humane labor laws we took kids out of the workplace and into public schools and on playgrounds where they should be. Guess what, you can't have a humane society with no taxes to support a humane way of life.

on Nov 06, 2008

It's hilarious that after putting the dumbest, most unqualified president in American history in office twice, the same people are whining about the "inexperience" and "ruinous possibilities" of our new president.

You guys should be comedians, not messageboard pundits.

on Nov 06, 2008

Better re-read my response. You are still wrong. The modern tax system was founded with the 16th amendment. The initial rate was very low (like 1% on anything over $1000 of income - which was a lot in those days). It quickly grew.

Evidence?

on Nov 07, 2008

Negative I am correct. MODERN tax rates those since 1913 are as I have said they are. My points stick, its just the fact that before all three of the crisis' I listed(which all were very significant bad economic times) came after republican had been in power for 12, 12, and 8 years. Those crisis were republicans fault period because of their philosiphy which they still cling to today. Dont tell me oh it was the previous democrats or some other baloney.

Uh, we were not discussin who was in power.  Nice of you to try to change the debate in mid stream.  We were talking about tax each year.  So now, do you want me to list them by year to show you how wrong you were to begin with?  Or shall we start a new debate on who screwed the pooch the worse?

if the latter, I will be more than happy to start that discussion.  For now, I am talking taxes - in other words the screw, not who turned the screw.

on Nov 07, 2008

cityguy

Better re-read my response. You are still wrong. The modern tax system was founded with the 16th amendment. The initial rate was very low (like 1% on anything over $1000 of income - which was a lot in those days). It quickly grew.


Evidence?

The origin of the income tax on individuals is generally cited as the passage of the 16th Amendment, passed by Congress on July 2, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913;

1913 7   500,000
1914 7   500,000
1915 7   500,000
1916 15   2,000,000
1917 67   2,000,000
1918 77   1,000,000
1919 73   1,000,000
1920 73   1,000,000
1921 73   1,000,000
1922 58   200,000
1923 43.5   200,000
1924 46   500,000
1925 25   100,000
1926 25   100,000
1927 25   100,000
1928 25   100,000
1929 24   100,000
1930 25   100,000
1931 25   100,000
1932 63   1,000,000
1933 63   1,000,000
1934 63   1,000,000
1935 63   1,000,000
1936 79   5,000,000
1937 79   5,000,000
1938 79   5,000,000
1939 79   5,000,000
1940 81.1   5,000,000
1941 81   5,000,000
1942 88   200,000
1943 88   200,000
1944 94 <2>   200,000
1945 94 <2>   200,000
1946 86.45 >   200,000
1947 86.45 >   200,000
1948 82.13 <4>   400,000
1949 82.13 <4>   400,000
1950 84.36   400,000
1951 91 <5>   400,000
1952 92 <6>   400,000
1953 92 <6>   400,000
1954 91 <7>   400,000
1955 91 <7>   400,000
1956 91 <7>   400,000
1957 91 <7>   400,000
1958 91 <7>   400,000
1959 91 <7>   400,000
1960 91 <7>   400,000
1961 91 <7>   400,000
1962 91 <7>   400,000
1963 91 <7>   400,000
1964 77   400,000
1965 70   200,000
1966 70   200,000
1967 70   200,000
1968 75.25   200,000
1969 77   200,000
1970 71.75   200,000
1971 70 60 200,000
1972 70 50 200,000
1973 70 50 200,000
1974 70 50 200,000
1975 70 50 200,000
1976 70 50 200,000
1977 70 50 203,200
1978 70 50 203,200
1979 70 50 215,400
1980 70 50 215,400
1981 69.125 50 215,400
1982 50   85,600
1983 50   109,400
1984 50   162,400
1985 50   169,020
1986 50   175,250
1987 38.5   90,000
1988 28 <8>   29,750 <8>
1989 28 <8>   30,950 <8>
1990 28 <8>   32,450 <8>
1991 31   82,150
1992 31   86,500
1993 39.6   89,150
1994 39.6   250,000
1995 39.6   256,500
1996 39.6   263,750
1997 39.6   271,050
1998 39.6   278,450
1999 39.6   283,150
2000 39.6   288,350
2001 39.1   297,350
2002 38.6   307,050
2003 35   311,950

These are top rates, not starting rates.  But a qucik google search can find out everything you want to about the taxes.  As you can see Mooseplow is dead wrong.  Surprising what Google can do for you.

on Nov 07, 2008

It's hilarious that after putting the dumbest, most unqualified president in American history in office twice, the same people are whining about the "inexperience" and "ruinous possibilities" of our new president.

So as pay back, you put a dumber and more unqualified one in office?  Are you often in the practice of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

BTW - on the previous post,. Joeuser put in the hearts.  I guess < 3 is a heart.  Kind of funny tho.

on Nov 07, 2008

BTW - on the previous post,. Joeuser put in the hearts.  I guess < 3 is a heart.  Kind of funny tho.

Yeah, I hate that "feature".

Why does the text input box contain rich text features anyway?

 

on Nov 08, 2008

These are top rates, not starting rates. But a qucik google search can find out everything you want to about the taxes. As you can see Mooseplow is dead wrong. Surprising what Google can do for you.

How am I wrong there DRGUY?  You just proved what I said.  The rich have it great right now as compared to history. and if you look at when the rich had it best on your chart there you will notice the 3 times I listed are the 3 times the rich had the lowest tax rate just as I said.  What is it that I am not explaining correctly?

on Nov 08, 2008

Seriously you folks kinda scare me. Your history is bad. Since 1917 the tax rate we have right now is the third lowest of the last 91 years. The other 2 times were first the 1920's(we all know what happened because of that in 1929) and the second was for a few years in the early 90's and guess what we had at the end of those 2-3 years.....a resession. Now we have had these give to the rich policies and they will create jobs and a thriving economy for 5+ years and look at what we are facing. What everyone(even McCain) is calling the greatest financial crisis since the great depression. This is not a coinsidence its the policy it is flawed because it depends on rich people giving away money that they "earned" it just doesnt happen. Its so obvious.

Here was my original quote and it is in response to posts previous to me about things like how we would be looking back to better times and democrats are to blame for bad economics and such.  My point was that if you did any reasearch on what the above post talks about you would see that during these bad economic times conservative, deregulating, handouts to the rich republicans we in charge.  And they were in charge for 12 years before and during the great depression, 12 years before and during the early 90's recession, and 8 years before what is happening now.  I guess I just assumed that all the smart people here who always tell me that my history is wrong would be able to see this easily for themselves.....looks pretty obvious thanks for the help with crushing your own cause.

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