I wish conservative would really start to thing for themselves. No one is trying to enable the lazy. That has really become a brainless robotic response to people who try help the less fotunate. Making healthcare affordable for millions of Americans who can't afford it is not supporting lazy people. I work with the working poor almost everyday. I see people work hard to make ends meet, and have risky pregancies because they simply don't make enough to see a doctor and don't get benefits to get prenatal care. Get out and see the country, don't make uneducated assumptions about it!

So then taxes should'nt pay for local education? That's theft? You arguement is not very well thought through.

Why? Because you disagree with it?

Whether schools are something the government should provide is another question. Some say yes, some say no. Either way, schools are not in the business of giving money to people, only a service.

But if you don't see the difference between government services and government handouts, there is no way you can understand the argument, really.

The Fairness Doctrine would only affect publicly licensed airwaves, not blogs (or newspapers).

It is in the Democrats interest to keep people poor. That is a large portion of their base. As people rise to make something more of themselves, especially getting into small business, they see more and more of their hard work going to the government. It's amazing how many people will eagerly wait for and demand their $1000 handout rather than motivate themselves to earn so much more.

That said, "Hey Obama, where's my money". I want it before the level drops below what I earn a year. What is the figure now for being rich 120K?

Why is it liberals never understand between volunteered vs. compulsive "giving"?

I certainly don't think the federal government should be paying for local education. Perhaps you should think through your arguments too.

Most of the services Americans make use of are from their state or local government (hence the United STATES).  I have a big objection to the federal government doing anything that isn't explicitly set out in the constitution.

It's always interesting to see people make statements that make it so obvious how little they understand our Gov't, it's functions and it's limits. I admit my lack of knowledge of how most things work in our Gov't and it's the reason I don't make assumed statements like these:

exactly Leauki.  My sentiments too.  Did you see how the whole world celebrated this morning?  Indonesians, Pakastan etc?  Obama is more than scary in my book and I've NEVER said that about any other politician ever. 

I am not kidding either when I say, you're exactly on the right track Leauki.  It's something Christians for many years have been waiting for because of the prophetical implications.  It's not about if this happens but when.  I've been watching this unfold since I was about 12 years old expecting it to happen in my lifetime. 

The prophet Ezekiel wrote about this in Chap 38 of Ezekiel.  Chapters 38-39 predict a future attack on Israel and God's deliverance of His people.  The invading armies come out of the north parts to invade Palestine but are destroyed by supernatural intervention (39:3).  The timing of the battle is unclear but Israel will be living in security, whether real or imagined as Israel feels secure under a peace treaty with the Antichrist. Remember they had not been in control of their homeland since Ezekiel wrote this until 1948 having wandered with no country for almost 2,000 years.  And they have not had any satisfaction of peace and well being as of yet.   Here's just an excerpt to explain how it's going to pan out.  Remember this was written about 570 B.C. 

V1 Set your face against Gog, the land of Magog (Russia) the chief prince of Mescheck andTubal (Moscow, Tobolsk) and prophesy against him.

V2 And say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold I am against you O Gog the chief prince of Mesheck and Tubal;

V4 And I will turn you back and put hooks into your jaws and I will bring you forth and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with sorts of armour even a great company with bucklers and sheilds, all of them handling swords;

V5 Persia (Iran) Ethiopia, and Libya (northern Sudan) with them all of them with shield and helmet. 

V6 Gomer (probably the eastern part of Turkey and the Ukraine) and all his bands the house of Togamath (the part of Turkey near the Syrian border) of the north quarters and all his bands and many people with thee. 

V7 So be prepared and prepare for yourself, you and all your company that are assembled to you and be a guard unto them. 

V8 After many days you shall be visited; in the latter years  (last days) you shall come into the land that is brought back from the sword (Israel) and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel which have been always waste but is brought forth out of the nations (1948) and they shall dwell safely all of them. 

V9 You shall ascend and come like a storm, you shall be like a cloud to cover the land, you and all your bands and many people with you.  (massive strength of invaders)

V10Thus says God, It shall also come to pass that at the same time shall things come into your mind and you shall think an evil thought.

V11 And you shall say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages (living in false peaceful times) I will go to them that are at rest (Obama's peace?) that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls and having neither bars nor gates.

v12 To take a spoil and to take a prey to turn your hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations (Israel) which have gotten cattle and goods that dwell in the midst of the land (lit. the navel of the earth). 

v13 Sheba and Dedan (Arabs) and the merchants of Tarshish (S of Spain near Gibraltar) with all the young lions thereof, shall say to you, have you come to take a spoil?  Have you gathered your company to take a prey?  To carry away silver and gold to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

v14 Therefore son of man (Ezekiel) prophesy and say unto Gog (Russia) Thus says the Lord God, In that day when my people of Israel dwells safely (not...as in NOT happened yet) shall you not know it?

v15 And you shall come from your place out of the north parts (Russia, Syria, etc) you and many people with you (Arab nations) all of them riding upon horses a great company and a mighty army.

v16 And you shall come up against my people of Israel as a cloud to cover the land, it shall be in the last days and I will bring you against my land that the heathen may know me when I shall be sactified in you, O Gog before their eyes. (truth happens)

Cityguy....I just love it when people use selected scriptures to try and prove their point but don't use all of the scriptures.  Acts 2-4 says nothing about being told to give.  They were all of one mind, body and spirit and agreed amongst themselves to share their belongings.  Notice they were sharing amongst themselves only, not with the outside world.  And.....nobody was forcing their hand.  It was of their own accord.

As for the rest of the scriptures it's quite clear that the Lord loves a cheerful giver.  He doesn't want or need our charity unless it comes from the heart. He comes right out and says don't bother.  It's the heart he wants not the money.  He says keep your sacrifices and offerings if you don't have the right heart attitude.  We are not to give out of guilt, fear or because we feel we have to.  We are to give out of the abundance of our heart. 

pretty much how Fidel got started.  What change are we in for?  That's the million dollar question right now. 

ROFL.

#1. Im a Democrat. ( I believe those who can do, should do what they can for those less able, but I also believe they should not be forced.) charity is willingly given, not forceably taken.

#2. you missed my example or chose to ignore it. My brotherinlaw voted for Obama because he truly feel's obama will Redistribute the wealth, and he will get a chunk of change.

#3. I was born in whittier and lived in compton and pomona, Ive lived the poverty first hand. I watched as welfare moms drove mercedes while my mom refused Welfare and worked 2 jobs to support me, driving an old buick. Those on welfare had better medical and dental than I had with my mom working 2 jobs. So I speak from experience and do not feel Obliged to pander to those who CAN work and refuse. I realize there are people out there who CAN NOT work *Disabled* etc. But this does not exonerate the tons of able bodied folks who abuse the systems to get free $$ while sitting on their Arses. I have no sympathy for them. Living in pomona and the such, the majority I saw were exactly that. I dont work with the poor ,I lived it. I still live pay check to pay check at times. I dont make uneducated assumptions, I know the truth. Growing up watching my neighbors and their husbands/ boy friends who dodge the social worker because hes not supposed to live there. Hell one family, he claimed the kids in one county while she claimed them in another. Drawing welfare from 2 counties at the same time.. they had all kinds of nice stuff, much of which usually got sold for drugs shortly after purchase. (money runs thin from the 1st to the 15th).

No making health care affordible is not, But why not work on bringing down the cost of health care? Why Tax the crap out of a few to support your Ideals? I applaude Health care for all, but robbing from the rich to give the poor medical is not the way either. How about getting wages raised? or maybe actually getting the american people Working again?

thanks for being classy about the whole thing.

i suspect it won't be as bad as you think - i think the bailout is what disillusioned people since they felt it was socialism helping out Wall Street. Not that there weren't careless people buying homes they couldn't afford, but Wall Street I think is what really ended up trying a bad housing market to the rest of the economy. my friend works in risk management at a bank and he says their department was basically told to go fuck themselves by hot shots trying to short cut their way to being the next Buffet.

there were also many social issues on the table, which is why i voted for obama and Roe v. Wade is what I think made the Hilary voters ultimately swing back who would otherwise have voted for McCain...they're really needs to be separate parties for social and fiscal conservatism. unlike other third parties i think you'd find this a very successful option.

once the dust settles, Americans are going to be weary of changing the way society as a whole works. improving health care yes, universal health care probably not so much. there will likely be tax incentives to create jobs as well, or at least one can hope.

and ultimately it's only four years.

Uh, yes,  Me giving.  Not you taking from me to give and say you are giving.  BIG difference.  We already know based upon deeds not words that Obama and Biden do not believe in giving their money, only everyone else's.  Protecting your assets is now the name of the game.

Conservatives already "thing" for themselves.  LIberals just feel good, so they do it.  It is plain that you have not though the ramifications of what Obama (and now even Schumer) are proposing.  The doubts and fears (of the actions that are to come) are being voiced here - because today we can.  Once the fairness doctrine goes into effect, we may not be able to.

Couching legal theft with flowery words and euphamisms does not change the facts of what they are.  But dont worry - in 4 years we will be looking back on the good old days when you could say what you wanted without fear of reprisals. And earn a living without a government handout.