Sounds like they should of been corp accountants. hehe.

Great point. Thanks for bringing up the difference. Honestly, I never thought of that. By the way, I didn't use a selected scripture without using a whole text, thus quoting 3 chapters and not one verse. That has nothing to do with the point you made, and a good point to make.

But can I ask an honest question? As a Christian, do you live a lifestyle reflected by the early Acts church? Or are you one who believes that you should acquire as much wealth as you can? Don't you think that the early church was perhaps a bit socialistic in it's mindset to give to the least fortunate of the church? Honestly, as a Christian how would you answer?

Yeah got it. Fairness doctrine stinks, getting too close to censorship. But what did that have to do with thinking for yourself? It pertains to media. Are you saying you can't think without some form of media to help you?

Seriously you folks kinda scare me.  Your history is bad.  Since 1917  the tax rate we have right now is the third lowest of the last 91 years.  The other 2 times were first the 1920's(we all know what happened because of that in 1929)  and the second was for a few years in the early 90's and guess what we had at the end of those 2-3 years.....a resession.  Now we have had these give to the rich policies and they will create jobs and a thriving economy for 5+ years and look at what we are facing.  What everyone(even McCain) is calling the greatest financial crisis since the great depression.  This is not a coinsidence its the policy it is flawed because it depends on rich people giving away money that they "earned"  it just doesnt happen.  Its so obvious.

I grew in Gary, IN and worked in the projects of Chicago and now do the same part time in the south. I, too, lived and watched poverty at first hand.  I still do. My immediate family didn't need welfare (or at least did use it) and worked hard, but I have had a great number of other family members and friends who did.  Some made it out. Some have not been able to make it yet. I never saw anyone making a lucrative living from welfare. In fact, you usually were a target for getting beat up or recruited for gangs if it was found out you were on welfare.

I've never seen a welfare mom with a Mercedes or anything like that. In my experience in the system, the people you speak about make up a very loud minority. Yes, there are some people who abuse the system. There is a minority of individuals that look for loopholes to make a profit. They don't represent all the other poor people who are trying hard to get out. Half of my job is helping them get out. The other half is challenging them to give back to where they came from so others won't have it as hard.

I apologize if I have offended you. I don't doubt what you saw or what you lived. You were not the only one to live it. But were actually looking for people who were hurting or enviously looking a minority of people milking the system.

I agree, there are a boatload of other factors like skyrocketing malpractice suits and expensive benefit plans than also contribute. But c'mon? Taxing the crap out of someone? Robbing from rich? If you really look at the numbers, it doesn't play out like that.

I didn't catch that 'til now. I guess you think for yourself better than I do.

Well said.

Well said in deed, you can thank the Democrats for the crap we are in today, not that they will admit it. But let me tell you something, our history may be bad, but we all know there are worse ones around the globe. We did not become the most powerful country because we were stupid. And I'll tell you more, we may be donw right now, but don't count us out just yet. We will get out of this one just like we did before and we will be stronger just like we have done before whether Obama or McCain was in the White House.

Np I was not offended, just wanted to set the record straight. I grew up not wanting the handouts as it felt demeaning to me. I would rather work for my pay than sit home on my butt. Enabling people to sponge off others only allws them to further kill off any self respect they may have and make it even harder to motivate them to be a productive member of society.

The USA came about due to unfair taxation without representation. While I realize it is not possible to tax all equally, it should not be the wealthy's burden to be forced to support those who are able to support them selves but refuse to.

I realize some folks can use a helping hand, I applaud those who do bust their humps trying to make it out of poverty,and those who help them along the way. We need more heroes in this world.

but what bothers me is those who have the ability to be productive, but yet scream for handouts and freebees like they are entitled to them. Like my earlier mentioned brotherinlaw, 29 and refuses to work. but voted for Obama, believing he will get his Cut of the riches wealth.

Also Is it our place to strip those who have made it of their hard earned money? I do not feel it is our right to force our morality on others. A gift is given willingly, taking it by force, is theft.

Someone said in another thread it is within the constitution for health care for all under, * life ,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.*

Life: to live uninhibited by others demands.

liberty: freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions.

Pursuit of happiness: One is free to pursue what ever makes them happy as long as it does not infringe on another persons inherent rights. Nor is happiness guaranteed or owed to you by your government or neighbors. It is ones own responsibility to pursue happiness.

No where can I see "free health care for all" from that line.

I do think it is our responsibility as a nation to take care of our own, but I do not feel it is within our rights to force it out of a select few.

Apparently democrats think so since they are the ones so afraid of open views being aired.  The fear of Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest is just astounding, yet they rejoice in the "tingling" feelings that they are getting from supposed new reporters from "news sources" without thinking twice about censoring them.

Right now, looking at the situation, it is apparent that conservatives have no problem thinking for themselves, and like to discuss their thoughts.  But liberals have a big problem allowing anyone to think for themselves.  And that is why they are demanding the "fairness doctrine" which given DC newspeak is anything but.

Your history is bad.  The country was not founded 91 years ago.  And the rate was higher from the 20s until the early 80s.  YOur "3rd" lowest is a great example of spin, but not facts.

I'd be happy to get the tax rates back to where they were during Reagan's term.  

Plus, when the tax rates were theoretically higher, the effective rate was far lower because one could get out of that rate so easily. Talk about spin.  

No argument here. In the end, we are all Americans, regarless of our opinion. And all of, rich and poor, all ethnicities and creeds, live in the best nation on the planet, hands down, financial crisis and all.

Not to open a can of worms but, I think we became a powerful and wealthy nation through cheap land and cheap labor (slavery). But that's another issue for whole different conversation.

I think that overstates what Obama was shooting for. And by the way only 44% of people who fit the new tax bracket voted for McCain.

I agree, but at our current rate of progress, healthcare would be a luxury enjoyed only by the wealthy in our nation. I think that has the potential to cripple us as a whole.

Hey Guy, I know I can count on you for it, but do you have any proof of this?

No sorry drguy this is fact read it at the IRS if need be or tons of other sites that will give you the tax rate history of the US.  Its all factual numbers there is no debate.  Your only correct statement is that the country wasnt founded 91 years ago.  However the modern tax system as we know it today was founded in the early 1900's.