Of course they are gonna say that these are 'jock grades', gimmees for kids of privilege. Never mind the fact that the average person who says it couldn't even do that well at Yale. Me included, probably...

Here's something interesting I found on the link"

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

So can the Swift Boat Vets for Truth shut up now?

So can the Swift Boat Vets for Truth shut up now?

Nope, since what the paper got ahold of is still not *ALL* of Kerry's military record.

What "other parts" Kerry has been sitting on could still very much support the claims of the Swift Boaters, or could be absolutely nothing, but until Kerry signs off on the form and releases the record, it's Kerry's word against that of a lot of others.

Since when does education = intelligence? Bush clearly lacks somewhere in his thought process, where I don't know, but the guy seems to have trouble forming complete, accurate, and properly formulated sentences.

In addition, his record on Global Warming (worldwide accepted problem) seems to indicate he doesn't really understand science. His record on American Workers, Overtime Compensation, and consumer rights is so alarming, it is like he just doesn't have much sense about how the real world works. Or is it just that he is a prick and doesn't care? Either way, the guy has done some seriously destructive things that will take at least 2 terms of the next president to fix.

I just think Bush is easily swayed by money and power, and follows the cash, wherever that leads him. Pretty much a useless fuck president.

Interesting arguments about Bush vs. Kerry. Kerry left college to volunteer for the Navy-Bush Jr. finagled his way into the National Guard ahead of 125 others three days after graduation. Bush Jr. was given a direct commission, extremely rare considering his lack of professional occupation while Kerry went to Vietnam. Bush Jr. was acceptged into flight school ahead of more qualified candidates in spite of his extremely low score on qualification tests (25) while Kerry commanded a pbr. Kerry's military can be accounted for while Bush Jr. cannot account for 18 months and then failed to report for duty in Boston, MA, in spite of a signed agreement. Kerry completed his complete military obligation (6 years then composed of active duty and reserve time) while Bush Jr. did not. Bush Sr. bought Bush Jr. into Harvard Business School with a hefty donation after our President failed to make entry into a law school. Bush Jr. has never had a business he owned succeed, but was bought out by his father's friends or the Saudi Arabians when needer d. Kerry went into public service rather than let his father continually bail him out. Bush Jr. has several drunken driving convictions which he withheld from the public until forced to admit two days prior to the 2000 election. He also cannot account why he participated in an inner city Houston TX youth program while also a member of the National Guard-it is suspected he was busted on a drug charge that his father had quietly sealed. Bush Jr. was removed from flight status by his TANG Commander, but refuses to divulge the location of the Flight Inquiry Report which is mandatory after such action. The document states the exact reasons why such action was taken in lieu of his training. Its a dishonor and abhorrent to most pilots to have this occur and Bush Jr. will only state he received an honorable discharge. Kerry received an honorable discharge from active duty and is accorded the status of Veterans; Bush Jr. is not accorded the same status since his time was entirely National Guard.

Intelligence is not the issue here since grades do not necessarily measure honor and responsibility. Its obvious that Kerry and others accepted responsibility for their actions while Bush Jr. needed his father and friends to continually do that for him. In fact, Bush Jr. moved his Texas gubernatorial records to his father's presidential library in defiance of that state's law rather than have academicians research and write about his tenure.

It seems rather obvious our President is a person who desires not to be accountable for his actions and is yet to admit a single error as president. Sad, but true. particularly for those dying in the line of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. He will not participate in public discussions unless they are carefully screened to deny entry to those opposing his policies-even though taxpayer money pays for the event>his handlers control this carefully to avoid embarassment. It seems George prefers to read a prompter rather than a rational discussion. Further his draconian polices towards Veterans has not endeared him at all.

Why then do we still torment Kerry? Simple, he's done many things Junior hasn't without the aid of his father, his father's friends and the Saudis. Sad legacy.

Why do people let these troll anonymous users post? It's patently obvious that these aren't people who just wander in. These are people who don't want to post under their real name.

Is it just me or are D's, C's and B's not exactly astronomical? I did not see mention of either candidate getting any A's. (keep in mind i only skimmed the passages. Pray, correct me if i am wrong here.) You'd think that we could hope for a person having better college grades to lead our country. Guess no one lese wanted to do it. Can you blame them?

It would be interesting to get the average gpa of the student body at the time to compare because today those grades are absolutely horrible.

Is it just me or are D's, C's and B's not exactly astronomical? I did not see mention of either candidate getting any A's. (keep in mind i only skimmed the passages. Pray, correct me if i am wrong here.) You'd think that we could hope for a person having better college grades to lead our country. Guess no one lese wanted to do it. Can you blame them?

From what I read, the highest eitehr got was an 89, a B, so I guess there are no As between them.  Why?  Cause the ones that Get As are not going into politics.  They start companies like Microsoft and Apple.

chelsea clinton's dad can beat young master george's dad.

Why? Cause the ones that Get As are not going into politics.

Didn't Bill Gates drop out?

Didn't Bill Gates drop out?

Yep.  But not due to grades.  He got bored.

did not albert einstein fail math? Lets remember that hanoijohn kerry is a wonderfull speaker, concise, eloquent, well thought out arguements learned as a asst. district attorney, while george is a terrible speaker, unsure sometimes, mangles the english language. Good thing Presidents are NOT elected on how well they speak huh?

Bakerstreet - yea, some people do that.  Though they don't realize that when they post as anonymous there's a lot of info posted that admins can see. So we know who they are.  I went ahead and deleted the purely trolling comments.

I would like to know how you get into Harvard Grad School with "C" grades. I had contact with the economics professor of GWB at Harvard and he told me Bush was a POOR student and had off the wall ideas. Bush ran two companies into the ground and is hard pressesed to demonstarte any real success. Given the way he has handled the affairs of this country, it appears he did not learn very much at Yale or Harvard on in business!