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Wow. I mean, wow!

San Diego county is demanding that people stop inviting friends over to their home for a bible study on the grounds that they do not have a permit.

This is why, I don’t care where you stand on most political issues, I fear government power.

A lot of people view politics as either liberal or conservative.

I view it as the tug of war between those who push for anarchy and those who push for tyranny.  We live in the relatively comfortable area in-between.  However, in the past 50 years, we have seen a pretty steady march towards tyranny brought on by both political parties.

The Republicans invite tyranny in the name of “Security” and the Democrats invite tyranny in the name of “Fairness”.  But no matter how you spin it, tyranny means a loss of liberty for the individual.

I’m not religious but it’s none of my business what my neighbors do in the privacy of their own home as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others.


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on May 31, 2009

That's just nuts.

on May 31, 2009

Bible Study, Sodomy, if its in your own home you can do whatever you want as consenting adults.

on May 31, 2009

We may be low on jobs these days but what we lack in jobs we make up in ignorance. What scares me the most about all this is that too many people will chose o adapt to this and accept what the Govt is doing and has been doing all this time as long as they think they will get what they want, everything free.

on May 31, 2009

Doesn't the pastor have a church?

 

on Jun 01, 2009

Uggghhh...

What is the deal with your liberals in the USA, my god? Why can't they know the limit of what should be done, and what shouldn't?

Seriously, you'd never see something like this happen in Canada, and our governement is liberal even to your standard democrat! Why do you only have nuts?

on Jun 01, 2009

Update: they came to their senses.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/biblestudy.asp

on Jun 01, 2009

The way I understand this it was about the number of people regularly invited, not about what they were doing.

I don't know if you need a permit to invite more than 15 people to an organised event in your house in California.

As someone who actually participates in weekly Bible study I am still sceptical.

 

on Jun 01, 2009

Figures a pissed off neighbor would be at the root of it.  Human nature just sucks sometimes.

on Jun 01, 2009

Update: they came to their senses.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/biblestudy.asp

I'm glad they decided to revise this warning and retract it but we should sometimes take a few steps back and look at these kinds of situations with a more open mind. One should accept that the officer giving the warning was simply doing his job based on the training he received and we can't say for sure he did it purposely for anti-religious reasons. Still, this proves that staying quiet would only allow those who try to impose their own rules and ideals over the real meaning of law to succeed.

on Jun 01, 2009

Is anyone surprised that FOX didn't reveal all the facts?  The snopes article states that they averaged about 15 people - which was the major reason for saying they needed a major land use permit.  (I still don't agree, but it contrasts with FOX' news quote that says they just wanted to "have a few friends over.")

Second, if this really was just a few friends, you can bet that the ACLU would be all over it - they'd be defending the right to a religious assembly.  I know the ACLU gets a bad rap among conservatives, but they've defended Christians before.  For example:

* The ACLU of Virginia (2004) threatened to file suit against the Fredericksburg-Stafford Park Authority after it enacted an unconstitutional policy prohibiting religious activities in the park. The Park Manager had prohibited a minister from the Cornerstone Baptist Church from conducting baptisms in the park, but under pressure from the ACLU the park revoked the prohibition and allowed the minister to conduct the baptisms.

* The ACLU of New Jersey (2006) filed a friend-of-the-court brief asking a federal court to uphold an elementary school student’s right to sing “Awesome God” in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material

* The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) filed a lawsuit defending the free speech rights of a Christian who was protesting based on his religious beliefs. The man was chased away from the front of a Wal-Mart store where he was carrying a sign that read: “Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Marriage and Gay Lifestyles. Don’t Shop There.”

* The ACLU of Rhode Island (2006) filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of an inmate who was barred from preaching during Christian religious services, as he had done for the past seven years under the supervision and support of prison clergy. The prisoner, Wesley Spratt, believes his preaching is a calling from God. Prison officials cited vague and unsubstantiated security reasons for imposing the preaching ban on Mr. Spratt. The ACLU argued that the ban violates the religious freedom guaranteed to Mr. Spratt under federal law.

* The ACLU of Georgia (2006) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church charging that the city of East Point, Georgia violated a federal religious discrimination law when it denied the church a zoning permit needed to establish its house of worship.

on Jun 01, 2009

Fair and balanced my behind. While I'm glad that what really happened is done and over with, and that it was merely (hopefully) a land/traffic issue - Fox got the facts wrong on this one. The law is the law (etc), even if it is a land use. Hopefully this incident doesn't set any bad precedents.

 

on Jun 01, 2009

Having bible studies in homes is quite normal for Christians to do.  It's been done from the first century onward.  I have one here on Thursday mornings.  I wouldn't be surprised if that law was put in place just because of something like this.  I've seen it happen before.  It's not uncommon to have cell groups that meet in homes once a week or month to break bread and maybe have a short study or prayer meeting.  It's a way especially for larger churches to have smaller groups of fellowship.   

Here where I live we have Rec centers every half mile or so.  These are beautiful facilities and hundreds of diff organizations use them for their meetings and what not get togethers.  All, that is, except bible studies.  We have been told that these Rec centers will not be used for anything religious.  So while I can go there for every event under the sun, I can't invite 10 people to a one hour study once a week.  But then I wonder what they would say if I have 10 cars parked out in front of my little street? 

The government is getting so nosy and intrusive I believe that we are going to see more and more bible studies in homes as people start leaving "government" churches.  This is going to be a problem with these sorts of laws. 

The ACLU is not usually a friend of Christians.  In fact, they are mostly against them.   Almost every Christian I know shudders when they hear mention of the ACLU.  Usually when the Christian rights are violated, the question asked is "where's the ACLU when you need them?" 

 

on Jun 01, 2009

Here where I live we have Rec centers every half mile or so. These are beautiful facilities and hundreds of diff organizations use them for their meetings and what not get togethers. All, that is, except bible studies. We have been told that these Rec centers will not be used for anything religious. So while I can go there for every event under the sun, I can't invite 10 people to a one hour study once a week. But then I wonder what they would say if I have 10 cars parked out in front of my little street?

I'm assuming that you live in some sort of community, which, by agreeing to live there you agreed to follow their rules and regulations. If not, if I misunderstood, there is still the case of having to follow the Rec Center's rules and regulations. I mean, if I'm going to use a venue, then I will follow their rules and such.

The ACLU is not usually a friend of Christians. In fact, they are mostly against them.

Proof? 'Cause I call BS.

 

 

on Jun 01, 2009

Inverse8 -

Methinks you protest too much.  10's OK?, 15's not?  I know of regular poker parties with more than that.

on Jun 01, 2009

The ACLU is not usually a friend of Christians. In fact, they are mostly against them.


Proof? 'Cause I call BS.

Don't you know? If you are not supporting the Christians "rights" to impose their beliefs on others, you are in fact mostly against them. /sarcasm

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