Well... considering the city only INVESTIGATED when it received complains about CARS and after investigating decided not to persue it....

Hmm, no chuckle? Darn, I was hoping for at least one laugh.

I think it's interesting that the city said that it was about concern for the rights of the neighbors to not have all those cars cluttering their curbs... but for the fee of 10s of thousands of dollars the city would tell the neighbors to quit their whining. lol

Btw, the ACLU lost any credibility it may have had when it enabled Phelps and his goons to harrass people at the funerals of fallen troops.

Piss on the ACLU and anyone in that cesspool of lice.

I thought the money was in the application for the permit.  Eg to pay the people to asses the impact this group had on the local community, and the cul-de-sac that they held it in.

So freedom of speech and assembly is only good so long as it's the way you want? I'm no fan of phelps, nor do I agree with the crap he does, but you either are for such freedoms, or you are not. You cannot be selective about them otherwise that sets a precedent to be selective about them in the future.

I just heard on the news that the ACLU is bringing a suit against some Christians (only heard a quick blurb) who dared pray at a graduation.  They also put something Christian on their caps and are in trouble with that as well from what they said on the news. 

So if anyone is selective it's the ACLU as most Christians have found out.  That's why I said earlier ....where are the ACLU when the Christian's rights are violated? 

You're talking about the schools in Santa Rosa, Florida right?

"The court has ensured that decisions about religion will be left in the hands of families and faith communities and not public school officials,"

btw, the officials even admitted to it.

I've got to agree with that; It should be. School is not where children, mine at least, should get their religious values

could be.  I didn't quite catch where this is.  Haven't had time to check it out yet.  But it's really not new news.  This happens every graduation.  The courts usually come down on the side of free speech when it goes to the courts.  What usually comes out is that while the kids are supposed to be allowed to express themselves freely the teachers and administrators are not allowed to push or preach any religion onto the kids. 

Usually the ACLU loses time and time again these types of cases on the grounds of freedom of religous expression and free speech.  But it doesn't seem to stop the ignorance.  Every year this still happens somewhere.  It's usually someone like Jay Sekulow who defends (and wins) these cases but by then it's too late for the graduates. 

In this case it isn't so much the freedom of religion, so much as they made children - other people's children - participate in the events. That my friend, is a no no in my book and I'm sure that some parents are not pleased either.

i still wanna know more about them 15 person poker games.

long as i'm here tho, anyone care to offer an opinion on how differently this incident would be perceived if the couple and their guests were muslims who dressed the part?   or, if not an opinion, maybe a guess as to how much they woulda hadda come up with to make bail?

Not playin' poker these days.  Tryin' to get my Euchre skills back up to speed.

You are such a card.  Ha, Ha.

You mean how much the guy whose car was dinged woulda hadda come up with to make bail for the hate crime of harrassing a Muslim?  You mean that guess?

in the words of the sadly departed james francis durante, "everbody's tryin to get in on da act!"

actually i figured after all 15 had been hauled in for suspicion of possibly considering attempted terrorist attacks with an enhancement of special circumstances (incidental conspiracy to perpetrate vandalism on an american-made motor vehicle within 12 hours of noon or midnight), the fbi could ihandle that part of it both before and after nserting a couple highly motivated  jihad-inciting confidential informants into their midst.

And it would have turned out they were just a group of muslim on their weekly prayer session.

Perhaps you should have looked.  They won this one, the public officals agreeded that they had broken the constuition in the entire region.

http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/38717res20081203.html

A court case that the ACLU are bringing on behalf of a Pentecostal minister to enable him to carry on preaching.